Dave Raun

[00:00:00] What is going on everyone welcome to another episode of Our Brains Hurt. Thank you so much for hanging out We have another show coming up in DC this month July 24th. It's a Wednesday night at Atlas Brew Works

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[00:00:55] We said all right all right you a song but it's gonna be a clone of a screeching weasel song that we heard a while ago Oh Today we're talking to Dave Raun another piece to our RKO puzzle. Oh, yeah

[00:01:43] Essentially the last one but only kind of the last one because like it doesn't sound like they're officially like back-back right I Don't think any of them have been like officially Tony is our new singer or moving forward with shit

[00:01:57] Right, I expect that to happen. But until then Tony's not really a permanent member of RKO But I would imagine he is but it's not official whenever we ask any of them about the future They're always very vague and I saw an interview with Tony actually

[00:02:13] Oh, you did where somebody asked him about that too and he was like I don't know. He was like I would love it if they asked me to keep singing with them and to Do a tour and all this other stuff. He was like but until then I

[00:02:27] Just had fucking a blast doing what we just did. Yeah, we're still gonna get you on here, Tony We're gonna get you. Yeah. I mean regardless municipal waste is a fucking rad band hell. Yeah

[00:02:37] Yeah, and and so was iron Reagan, which is not a band anymore. Yeah, so to my knowledge at least yeah I will Dave is in the room. I'm gonna let him in. Okay, cool

[00:02:48] How you guys doing awesome? Thanks so much for doing this man. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I just putting a snare together and Trying to get some shit done this morning. Awesome Where are you're out and you're in California right by you and Fresno

[00:03:06] No, I'm out in Salinas like Monterey car now. Okay. I lived in Monterey for two years. Oh Shit, that's awesome. Yeah, I was in the military. I was a linguist so I was stationed at Monterey. Oh, yeah

[00:03:19] My wife was a nurse and she worked in Salinas at the time So I was always going back and forth. So that's that's cool. It gets hot as hell in Salinas man

[00:03:27] Yeah, that's get warm. We're like we're kind of in between everything like we're we're close to like Laguna seca raceway Mm-hmm. So we're kind of between Carmel Salinas Monterey all that It's kind of a perfect location. Yeah

[00:03:44] Yeah, it's so nice there too. It's such a beautiful place the Central Coast. Yeah. Yeah I mean I was in Fresno for 17 years. So Which is kind of crazy but It's fucking hottest shit right there right now It's like 112 or 15 or something not even real

[00:04:04] But it's but it's dry heat though, right dry. Yeah Just burst into fucking flames To start it off like let us know like where you grew up and how you got into punk rock initially Well, I grew up in San Mateo, California three blocks from little Joe

[00:04:26] So we've been we've literally little Joe and I have have been playing together our very first anything was together We used to take his brothers a man, he's amp little amp and His brother's guitar and roll it on a skateboard to my parents house

[00:04:46] And then we would just jam out as little kids like 12 13 year olds whatever the fuck we were Make our little jams and so, you know, we've been going we were in kindergarten together. So oh wow

[00:04:59] Yeah, don't I go? I mean, I don't know anyone in my life as long as I've known Joe. So Wow, that's crazy So we've always had like this We've always had this Real good chemistry together

[00:05:14] So playing we could just play anything and we could just sort of figure out what each other is gonna do So it's it's pretty great. I mean, that's that's the dream for like a rhythm section so to speak, right? It really yeah, I mean it really is and

[00:05:30] You know, he's he's obviously fantastic out of his mind good. So You know, it's easy. It's easy for me. I just just have to follow his little ass and try to You know, but it's always fun and he's he's a great guy. He's such a talented individual

[00:05:47] You know like good music art skateboarding whatever he's really a fucking badass It's just gonna turn into an interview about how awesome little Joe is By the way, I'd say little Joe grew up there too Fine with me. I totally back him. I mean, I would

[00:06:14] Well, well he's been on here before so Yeah, I'm just giving you the other side of that, you know Reaffirming yeah the observers view. Yeah, but yeah, so Started playing music and just sort of from Brock

[00:06:33] Right into like hardcore in the 80s. I used to go see a lot of shows Ruthie's in stone Omni farm Anywhere that would do shows used to go to San Francisco get rides and you know, I mean our KL accent But DRI MDC verbal abuse

[00:06:51] Fuck the list goes on and on also metal though. I used to see like death angel exodus possessed Forbidden like yeah, but the mid 80s when thrash was really starting to happen

[00:07:03] It was fucking red hardcore and thrash, you know, I mean, I'm a huge fan of the bad brains and obviously Blacks like yeah, oh that kind of shit. So but I like rock. I like a lot of shit. That's the crazy part

[00:07:19] So how did you get introduced into all that stuff? Like did you have a sibling or do you remember like the first time you went to a punk show? Yeah, I mean, I so I used to jam out with some older guys. So

[00:07:31] They were you know in the metal Obviously I like I already had like kiss and a lead Zeppelin and then I in AC DC Then some people through school started, you know clue me and I'm like hardcore music and metal like Metallica Slayer

[00:07:51] And so all that was sort of part of it was sort of like hard like metal and hardcore were sort of Almost one in the same because you could go see both kind of show that the same venues

[00:08:05] And a lot of like Slayer guys and they were already like, you know, we're like a DRI or our CoC So, you know corrosion was a big one So just through one and see the other, you know, and then you know, I mean high energy crazy fucking music

[00:08:21] Just love I love it to this very day You know when that build up that tension like a bad brains or You know music sort of builds up to that explosion The super fast stuff. I fucking love that shit, you know

[00:08:37] That's why the RPL thing has been so fun because that's exactly what happens is but I get to watch it from stage You know you start to build up and then it just fucking crowd goes apeshit. I love it

[00:08:49] Man, I wish I could have seen that West Coast like 80s thrash scene being a DC kid You know, I never really got out there during those years and I was pretty young but man I wish I could have seen that. I love thrash

[00:09:01] I mean, yeah, but you know being a DC kid ain't a bad thing either because You're in another hotbed. I definitely I definitely got to live through and see meet some people and in that era that

[00:09:17] Started my love for all of it for sure. Yeah. Yeah for sure. I mean, it's funny because The the term hardcore like obviously if you say hardcore, it's usually associated with like New York hardcore

[00:09:29] But like to me back then hardcore was just hardcore music like hardcore music was was all those bands Because they were all and you you knew them by like where they were from like, you know

[00:09:41] The DC band COC was like North Carolina and DRI was Texas and DC was obviously minor threat You know bad brains then New York You know so black flag and the LA scene and the up north scene and

[00:09:58] It was like it was all geographically it was like towns But it was just hardcore music and you just learned from albums and who you know cassettes and all that shit So it was it was rad, you know

[00:10:10] It was it was a wild fucking time. Yes, it was it sucks though because the DC scene is not what it used to be Just to paint you a picture We throw shows in DC in this past Saturday night

[00:10:23] One of the bands broke out a minor threat cover and me and like one other person there We're singing along with it and the rest of everybody had no fucking clue what the band was playing That's sad

[00:10:37] None of the scenes are I mean, you know, we totally sound like that get off get off my lawn guy, you know like I mean, it's just the way it is but I mean If you know

[00:10:51] I guess it's for us to kind of keep composing it, you know, like and if for those that really like are into it They got a you know look for it. Yeah. Yeah, true. You gotta find it

[00:11:01] I mean those are the originators of a fucking an amazing scene an amazing sound and you know what I really what I used to really like about hardcore is

[00:11:13] The production or lack of thereof because it was like there was something real special about the fact that some of them could play Really pretty good But it was the sound like the ringing fucking like Earl's ringing snare drum in the bad brains and how doctor knows

[00:11:30] How his solo is like when he kicked on it just came out. It was like the loudest thing He's all like this fucking awesome though, you know So every one of them had a special kind of a production value if you will

[00:11:42] But and so when things get too polished you lose you lose that you lose that like like that rough and ragged You know cuz no one was fuck We used to have a ghetto blaster on the floor of a practice studio as we used to demo it

[00:11:57] And it had like an internal mic It's not and if you found one you really like you put it like a t-shirt over it

[00:12:03] If you put it in the right part of the room and it kind of you could kind of hear everything and it's sort of sounded cool I mean like that was production like that was now you have pro tools fuck. We're so spoiled It's funny

[00:12:16] We actually talk about this sometimes the psyche behind that is weird because if you hear an album that you love Obviously, and then you go see the band and they're like ten times better live

[00:12:25] It does something to your psyche that makes you want to go see that band every fucking time they come to town Yeah a polished album and then you go and you're like oh they sound just like the album

[00:12:36] Maybe you don't go every time when they come in a yeah Yeah, or you know there's something to be said for not being as polished on an album because then you're like setting yourself up to be a much better live band They sounded fucking great live

[00:12:53] Yep, it's also true. Yeah expectations live but it was it was about the energy anyways I mean, you know it was about going there It just fuck man just being your mind blown and this crazy music and just all these people just fucking going off

[00:13:09] But you know like that all you know picking each other up stage diving, you know Fucking you know, is this a really great scene and community and all that so

[00:13:19] Yeah, it was one hell yeah. Do you remember the first show you ever played whatever whatever band that was? ah Well the first show I played and we were always a drummer Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean I played viola for a second but that

[00:13:40] I was in a hardcore band punk rock band when I was you know 1415 and it was called direct defiance and We played a high school In San Mateo and we were and we actually took acid which wasn't necessarily a great idea

[00:14:01] Yeah, but fucking we had horrible songs and I mean really like I'd be canceled in two seconds If I said some of the names of them. Yeah, but they were terrible But they were pretty punk and we had shit thrown at us and fucking, you know

[00:14:17] It was hard when we were I was literally cutting my high school to go play another high school. So Yeah, that was fun. So that was pretty like the first thing and in like 87

[00:14:28] I played with another band at the Mabuhay Gardens and like rock on Broadway and some other shows and And yeah, so those were some of the very earliest like I wasn't even old enough to actually be in some of the clubs

[00:14:42] And I was drinking I mean fucking 80s It's different different times. Oh, we'll give a buck. Yeah Shit, I remember even doing shit like that in the 90s still in places. Yeah true true I mean it wasn't until you know, sadly, you know everything that happened

[00:15:01] On 9-11 and that was a horrible fucking horrible fucking thing But once that happened a lot of things changed throughout. Yeah, that is 100% accurate. Yeah Yeah, they made video cameras everywhere being normal, which I still can't get used to yeah that

[00:15:21] Travel travel was like not a big deal. You know, it's like but man and this sure became a much bigger deal so Yeah, people like there are people that will never remember just like walking onto a plane or like

[00:15:35] Walking to somebody's gate to pick them up when they get off the plane, you know, and it's like that's so foreign the people now. Oh My god, my first RKL tour you could still smoke in planes so we were We were flying to Europe fucking raging like

[00:15:51] Smoking and drinking. I mean I was like early earliest 20s. I thought this is fucking amazing I'm partying in the air on my way to Europe We're fucking just raging in the back of this fucking Air Canada fly Free booze they were giving us

[00:16:10] Fucking I was like wow, I had thought I had made it. I was like Yeah, that was I mean it's stupid I know some people go that's you know, that's dumb and it is dumb fucking to like You know because the world's a different place now

[00:16:27] But I'll tell you what when you're 20 fucking one years old and you're on a plane on your way to Europe for the first time with a band and you're just partying and having a blast with your buddies and Hell yeah, it's like that was insane. Yeah Rad

[00:16:47] Was that your first tour with RKL or did you tour we are in a band before that that's word? No Nothing that like was it what it was my

[00:16:57] The one that left and like the state or actually the city so yeah, that was my first big everything like that band You know, we we I actually left the state for the first time

[00:17:08] I mean on tour with with our kill like we went one of my first shows was in Reno Nevada that was and I slept in we slept in my van and then went into the casinos and washed up and like it was

[00:17:23] That was wild too, but Europe was big I'd never been out of the country in my life and So just there was just so much new shit happening and I was like then we got to Germany

[00:17:36] Got our stuff walked out and there was like, you know a place where you could get a beer So we were sitting at the airport drinking half a bison's

[00:17:44] You know just I mean at the airport. We hadn't even fucking got past the airport. We were already we were still drinking This tour this tour and stuff's pretty cool Yep, bands just don't party on tour like they used to

[00:18:05] You know it happens with older age. Yeah. Yeah, I like I like to stay married So tell us about how you got in became a member of RKL initially little Joe reached out to me

[00:18:21] And 19 like 91 or something like that and they were called slang at the time so Bomber was singing right when you yeah, they were called slang. So I Try or they came over to my place and I treat, you know

[00:18:38] Played some a song with them and then you know, that was that so we we kept doing that It wasn't really until we got reacted or on the epitaph and then

[00:18:49] Bomber kind of made a deal and and the name got changed to RKL obviously because it would do well and then he also, you know Had epitaph put out rock and roll nightmare again. So it was sort of a deal that way

[00:19:03] So and I didn't that didn't really go so well As far as because the music in the thing wasn't really supposed to be that but that's what happened and But that was a whole crazy story in itself

[00:19:16] Which I mean there were the time in RKL is pretty much from the time I started till the time I left was fucking craziness like it was just you know, that was during a riots Like we went down to the record reactivate

[00:19:27] We got an epitaph went down there or the riots had just happened the Rodney King, you know, the verdict he came in fucking LA went just ballistic and then We were sort of on our way down Santa Barbara and then while we were in the middle

[00:19:43] SF started taking off we got down to Hollywood and like military on all the corners and it was fucking insane So, you know every day we drove from like where they were putting that stuff to the studio and it was like

[00:19:59] them, you know just military and we just drove straight to the place and then straight back and The end of night never got pulled over and it were all in my van and but uh

[00:20:09] You know, I met Jason on that because he got arrested and then he got released from LA County so I met Jason he came over and Yeah, it was you know, there was a lot of lot of a lot of zanyness going on

[00:20:25] You said you met Jason at that time He came back into the band because you guys were in Europe and needed it and bomber split. Is that what happened? I think that's what yeah bomber. Well bomber had a bit of a meltdown and while we were in Italy

[00:20:37] Well, that's okay that in that tour. I was like two and a half months in Europe a lot of lot of shit happened our Rody will longtime friend of these guys He passed away in Switzerland just a lot of that was fucking horrible and

[00:20:56] You know then just personal stuff with bomber he ended up having a melt bit of a meltdown and bailing and then we ended up flying Jason out to Pick back up again one we got to Barcelona

[00:21:11] And then and then from there on it basically that was pretty great and everyone was stoked So we were able to salvage That tour because we had like three weeks off in Barcelona

[00:21:24] And we went out to Mallorca and played a show with Jason. We did Jason got to Europe Basically, we put he walked on stage He played the one Spanish show that we had at the time and

[00:21:38] Then that we went and took like three weeks off and we're hanging out with friends and squats and stuff like that Went out and played boy off Mallorca And then we resumed the tour and did the rest of it

[00:21:51] Which was like Scandinavia Germany and some works some more places So and then from there that was kind of like that lineup was kind of put back in and then we ended up coming home and

[00:22:02] writing riches of rags and recording it and touring and then going back to Europe and so Yeah, it was you know, I mean, you know, there was it was fucking insane. I mean that band was insane, you know, lots of drugs

[00:22:18] Sadly, I mean, you know bomber and Jason with this anymore and No, nothing but I mean, it's crazy as everything was nothing but love and in in Respect for bomber and Jason, you know, they bomber is amazing

[00:22:34] You're the fucking genius and Jason was just one of the best frontman and you know punk music We've talked about bomber a bunch on here now mostly because of all the other members of our KL who have been on here, but yeah, I I

[00:22:50] Said I said it before I'll say it again. I wish I would have been able to grow up You know, I did play in bands but in bands with somebody like him who would just continuously push you and strive to be great

[00:23:03] You know all the crazy things I've heard he's he's done like, you know Make people play in the dark and stuff like that like it sounds sometimes like a nightmare, but That's what it takes No, I'm I'm grateful that I actually

[00:23:17] Got to know and and I mean I wouldn't be Anything in this scene if it wasn't for bomber. I mean I would he literally taught me how to play his parts

[00:23:28] He let him really puts me off my drum set because he was just so aggro all the time Like and you know, he had a lot going on when I was learning songs, you know He was like no, no

[00:23:38] It's like this and he cranked my snare drum up and show me the kick pattern and the parts in the arcade Like it's gotta be like it wasn't a mess That she was very much like put together like, you know bomber was

[00:23:52] Fucking gnarliest hell like obviously playing drumming and then writing these these fucking songs. I mean it was it's He was wild I mean I'm grateful every day for the fact that I got to know him and he was fucking you know, he could be a nightmare

[00:24:08] But he was absolutely hilarious Fucking hilarious. So and Jason as well I mean or I got to room with Jason when I met right after he showed up in Spain in a he and I kind of lived in a squat

[00:24:21] And then we hung out partying and just spent a lot of time together. So You know, I got to know all of that Jekyll and hide shit, you know It was the ying and the aing for sure. So yeah

[00:24:35] Yeah, it's funny you talk about the writing like we talked about this on the last episode like Rkl is like It's like controlled chaos like when you listen to Rkl. There's so many people playing out of their fucking minds That it almost

[00:24:48] It almost hurts your head that it makes sense But it does and you're just you're waiting for you guys to fall off the rails And you never do but you come so close and it's just a beautiful thing. Oh, no, it happens

[00:25:01] You're right. It's it's a controlled chaos and when it's on it's fucking it's on it's crazy. Can't be touched can't be touched I'm not it's fucking it is gnarly

[00:25:11] But it's a fucking fine line for that because when it comes off the rails when someone's off or the whole fucking things just Yeah But but we do we I mean we can play together even when things aren't like kind of all clicking

[00:25:29] Yeah, it could be okay, but I mean, but let me tell you it fucking when it's off. It's fucking a shit show Such a spaghetti mess because they're so new it's so noodley And when things start to get off or like especially, you know guitars

[00:25:46] But if drums start to get off the whole things fucked, you know, and that's a lot of Yeah, it's like I gotta I have to be sober even fucking attempt playing a ice plate super fucked up I don't even know how I did it

[00:26:01] No, I will watch some video the other day I'm like, I mean I guess cuz I was 21 22. Yeah, and I was just Just able to do shit. I couldn't do that now. That'd be fucked

[00:26:12] Yeah, it's funny you would say the controlled chaos because that's often how we describe like it's like yeah But when it's off, it's so fucking bad It's like it's just it's like you think it's hard to listen to when it's good

[00:26:25] Imagine when all that shit's just fucking fucked up and you're just like, oh my god. I can't just gotta leave It's like anxiety. Yeah It's funny That's awesome. Yeah, it's

[00:26:38] Yeah, I've been listening to richest rags for the past two weeks like non-stop. It's just such a great album Well, thanks man. Yeah, it's it's so it's it's funny because you know Matt

[00:26:47] And I have been Rkl fans for a while and we really started getting back into our kale I'm probably about a year and a half ago or so just like really and then you guys and we had Joe on the podcast about a year and a half ago

[00:27:00] And then all of a sudden like a few months after that we heard that, you know, you guys were getting back With Tony and playing some shows and it was like we were just like we lost our fucking minds like holy shit

[00:27:10] So I actually did fly out. I saw you guys at the terra ground ballroom in LA Because my brother lives out in Woodland Hills in the valley Hmm. So I was there and it was it was so cool

[00:27:22] Do you guys have any plans on coming to the East Coast? I know we've asked Everybody that Plans on coming out to the East Coast Nothing not at the moment, but I mean obviously at some point

[00:27:38] It's just really hard, you know scheduling Tony's doing a lot of waste stuff, right? Yeah We've got stuff like lag wagon stuff So we're it's been it's been tough to kind of schedule but we're made we're more of making plans for next year because

[00:27:54] There's just stuff going through and it's just too hard to try to it's too late at this point, right? There was some stuff we were gonna do but then we just got chicken because it was like, yeah

[00:28:05] Let's just wait and do it proper give it plenty of time schedule it So yeah, of course of course some at some point but as of the moment

[00:28:16] Because we want to do a run like we've had offers to do here this and that but it's not really feasible to go out Do one offs like we kind of have you a group of shows to make it worth, you know

[00:28:29] We could pay for it to do the whole thing. So and we want to do it, right? You know hit more than one spot to a run proper So I'm sure I'm sure Europe is probably gonna be

[00:28:42] Probably the biggest thing for you guys to do. I mean you guys were always huge in Europe. Yeah, that's that's in the works For next year. So that was actually something we were talking about trying to do this year

[00:28:55] But it just it just couldn't it didn't really work out so And in a way it was kind of better because we did those shows to sort of reintroduce the band and

[00:29:06] And I think that was a good thing because how do we do done too much before we actually did that? Like people now know what to expect like Before they're like, well, we don't really know what to expect. We've seen videos

[00:29:18] But like how is this actually gonna go live and I mean LA was insane like every San Francisco was great Then fucking SB was really good. And then LA was just fucking stupid I mean Tony's drinking at a sub prosthetic leg and

[00:29:35] We're going over the crowd and I was literally like every day got gnarlier and gnarlier Fucking fun Ron actually ended up with that leg. Yeah, I was I was right against the stage in front of Tony

[00:29:49] And he was and he's all of a sudden the leg comes flying over my head from somebody in the crowd and Tony picks it up And he chugs it and then after like towards in the song

[00:29:58] He hands me the leg and so I'm just holding a leg and I have it I saw I just put on the stage in front of me and then I get a Like between like another song or two later

[00:30:08] I get like a tap on my shoulder and I turn around some dudes like hey man, can I get my leg back? It's not a party until you're drinking beer out of my prosthetic leg That's it's the tone

[00:30:23] Yeah, I saw I asked was like is it yours? He's like yeah, he's like I'm missing mine. So I was like right here you go We were actually curious about that cuz you know there's like medication that goes in those legs and shit like that and

[00:30:38] Yeah, and I think it was I think Barry told us that Tony said his mouth went numb after I Mean you really don't have to explain how gnarly the night was when you have a picture of the singer drinking out of a prosthetic leg

[00:30:56] It's like yeah, it was this gnarly. Yeah, I Mean words just don't get how that picture really does tells you the story. Yeah, right? It went off Very RKO

[00:31:07] Yeah, no it was fuck man that run I it was so much fun. I mean it's just fun again to play those songs It was received so many people were so stoked and I saw a lot of old

[00:31:21] Old friends I hadn't seen in like 30 fucking years since the last time I played these songs. So It was fucking fun and I looked forward to doing more of it, you know Yeah, well we look forward to hopefully seeing it on the East Coast one day. Oh, yeah

[00:31:38] What are you currently spinning right now if you were just to like get your car and drive somewhere? What are you listening to these days? Let's see a lot of time I listen to first wave on serious, okay or

[00:31:53] Ozzie's Boneyard. I mean honestly, I haven't what have I actually listened to Like where I just I mean often I don't even put something's particular on I just I Love 80s and then

[00:32:10] Occasionally I'll fucking dip down in the hair nation if I want to get my docking fix or my Queens right You're safe here, I love me some hair metal What do you Queens right? Yeah

[00:32:32] Do you have a if I was to say ask you like what is your most memorable Rkl show and your most memorable lag wagon show It does anything pop into your mind my most memorable well, I think the most memorable

[00:32:47] Show for Rkl was probably the first show I ever did with Jason Which was the one he when he came he showed up he walked on stage in Spain And and we played together for the fucking first time we'd never rehearsed

[00:32:59] We've never done shit that he walked on stage Fucking and Spain had never Had Rkl had never been to Spain and so Spain was Super fucking psyched because they were you know Italy Southern Europe love, you know loves Rkl and Germany too

[00:33:17] But but like Italians fuck don't go they go crazy and Spain that show just went fucking off. This was crazy Super fun. So it really set the tone for everything we did after that and then with the lag wagon

[00:33:33] Oh, man, we've seen a lot of fucking shows. I think when we played Ross Gilder in Denmark, I'd always wanted to play that festival But and then although I guess maybe the first one I ever played

[00:33:48] was like a bizarre festival in Germany when I first got in the lag wagon and It was a big-ass festival. I'd never even played a festival before so I didn't even and in fact I quit Rkl

[00:34:00] Before we were supposed to play our first festival in Europe because shit was so out of hand and fucked up And so when I got to do it with lag wagon, I was like fuck. It's like a sea of fucking people

[00:34:13] Yeah, it was it was fantastic. You know, we were out there I was still I was still brand new and we were just promoting the Haas album, which was just Doing really well in Germany Europe. The band was doing really well

[00:34:27] So all that was new to me and we went out and played a festival and I was just like fuck It's kind of like it was kind of like my next moment right after the smoking and drinking playing moment I was like, whoa, this is crazy

[00:34:41] Festival like this is even earlier than that Yeah, you know that I mean but we played a lot of festivals and you've got a lot of a lot of fucking good times for sure

[00:34:54] When you started playing drums for lag wagon was Rkl still going or was that or had you left Rkl by then? Or were they done by then? I don't remember the

[00:35:02] Barry and I actually left so I think that was it for Rkl at that time Jason was pretty messed up on drugs Yeah So that was basically I think it for Rkl for a while until they until they brought it back out

[00:35:16] But that was years later. So yeah, Barry and I had had enough and it was just insane But we had we'd actually played shows together like Rkl and lag wagon You know previous to all that we'd actually done shows of in Sacramento and Berkeley at Berkeley Square

[00:35:35] And so different stuff. So we'd actually all crossed paths. We all knew each other Basically, yeah, because Joey Cape has connections to the early Rkl Apparently he was part of the when they were all first getting together in 83 or something

[00:35:52] But then they out bounced, you know and slowly Jason got in and supposedly Joey Couldn't continue to be an Rkl because he was grounded too much Really does that what Chris said? Yeah He said that was Joey's story at least Yeah, Joey lies a lot too

[00:36:17] Who knows Santa Barbara so incestuous though everybody was in a band at some point with like everyone was in the same band There's the whole thing about Josh Brolin like yeah, I said he had because him and Jason were buddies They used to

[00:36:33] So Josh and Jason were friends so it's funny you bring that up because I know I know Everybody in Rkl gets sick and tired of answering that question like was Josh Brolin really an Rkl

[00:36:42] So I didn't want to I didn't ask any other the dudes but since you brought it up So you're telling me that he was friends with Jason. That's how that that's what I mean

[00:36:50] That's what I was before my time, but that's what I've been told that's the connection So I don't really know what if Josh was If he tried to sing in the band before Jason, I'm not really sure it's sort of great

[00:37:06] I think Josh even kind of brought it up But then he won't back us now that we're back out. We're trying to get him to like, you know Love Unis magic needs to break us off some yeah

[00:37:22] I think I had seen another like podcast or something that Chris did where he talked about it saying that like Josh had jammed with them before they officially had called themselves Rkl or something along those lines Yeah, baby

[00:37:40] I haven't actually I mean I've heard it. It's always been a gray area Like what's it? It was the very earliest time. So probably yeah, I don't think there I don't think there was an Rkl at that point

[00:37:53] I think they just had jammed as a group of people but who knows yeah either way, you know cool story Yeah, it would be nice if Josh was a little bit more forthcoming with with the love

[00:38:08] Yeah way cooler story he talks about punk rock a lot in a lot of things he does like he was He did like hot ones, you know that with the wings

[00:38:19] I don't know if you've ever seen something YouTube channel where people eat these really fucking hot wings and they get interviewed while they're doing it No, yeah, it's actually I don't

[00:38:29] It's weird to say this being a podcast house, but I don't really like interviews. I like conversations and That is actually one of the best interviews Things that I actually like watching the guy who does it is like really really good at it

[00:38:41] But Josh Brolin's one he talked about growing up in the in the punk scene in the You know in the early 80s and shit. He talked a lot about it actually. Yeah It's interesting if you ever want to check it out

[00:38:55] I will I will for sure that I mean it I've seen some stuff or read some stuff where he's talked about Being a part of you know punk scene I mean, you know he could embrace us more we wouldn't be

[00:39:15] You'll hear this yeah, he's totally listening you got that job. Yeah Hey guys, Trev from the struggling artists podcast and I want to talk to you real quick about struggling artist record club

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[00:40:23] The first question is if you were on death row, what would your final meal be? What my final meal be yeah? Oh Man, I'm such a simpleton Fuck probably either a fucking combo pizza or Or a combo pizza and an al pastor super burrito with

[00:40:52] Chips and salsa. I don't know it's oh, yeah I mean, I'm kind of a lame-o that way. I mean fuck do there is no pizza. I would not eat Well I don't want anchovies and shit, and I'm not eating no Hawaiian pizzas

[00:41:06] I like some pizza with a ton of shit all over it and then And then like fucking Mexican for breed super burritos because I lived in SF and the mission and I mean Super burritos are just the fucking jam

[00:41:21] Hell yeah, like any super burrito or is that a spot? Well my spot used to be al far lido Which is like 20 there's one on 24th admission and then I think there's one on

[00:41:34] Can't remember what the other it's been so long, but there's a few of them. There's actually a few more now that Since since then but yeah, but there's a there's a few other places everyone has their favorite mission spot I mean everyone's like oh fuck that place. Oh

[00:41:50] I like far lido and like cancun had a good one because I like places that don't put guacamole They actually put pieces of avocado. Oh, yeah So they're not trying to fuck you around with that guacamole mixed it

[00:42:05] I like just chunks of avocado in there. It's so good nice and then like salsa verde or Avocado salsa that was that's where they had to is a avocado salsa so fucking good So it's also very days where it's at and that is where it's at

[00:42:21] I'm not scared of other sauces or you know, obviously pico the guy was always good great to have But like green salsa over red salsa every day. Yep. Yeah Auto salsa which is a green salsa, but and then that trumped that ooh did I say that word? No

[00:42:44] Negate everything else Oh Man like all the like hatch chili like in New Mexico and stuff like that. I'm such a fan I know it's like technically Tex-Mexico style or whatever, but oh my god Yeah, I love it all the hatch chili. Oh

[00:43:05] Yeah, second question. What is your favorite cereal? My favorite cereal is granola Just straight granola Like a mix of nuts and all that chunky granola jive my my uncle actually Make some like every year and I and send it it

[00:43:24] In like the holiday season so sweet fucking best So good, oh big, you know, and then I'll pour a bunch of fucking oat milk and put a bunch of fruit in there And hell, yeah

[00:43:36] Put milk in there, but man fucking me and milk don't really jive too well Right, I could still do milk, but I know so many people who are turning lactose intolerant I guess it's an eight. Maybe it's an age thing or is it a hurt?

[00:43:48] Every single human being is lactose intolerant when it comes to like regular milk like cow's milk that you buy just depends on what level of it Right. I think it's definitely gotten worse. Although although that doesn't stop me from eating ice cream No one likes a quitter

[00:44:11] Oh now now I'm contemplating ice cream and granola together Oh, that's gonna happen Yeah That's gonna happen. I can't believe I've never done that actually it's good today's the day. Oh, yeah

[00:44:26] This is why we asked this question. This is seems super important. You know what your favorite cereal most important But it always makes for good conversations always Food yep Third question is they that should do this now

[00:44:43] You could take if you if you pass away and get cremated They could take your ashes and they could form it into a vinyl record of your choice So if you were going to have your ashes Dave Ron's ashes eternalize in a vinyl record

[00:44:55] Which album would you pick? It has to be an album that exists? Oh Like like an album that's already been done Yeah, like you can't just make up some weird compilation of your favorite songs it's gotta be an album in existence. Yeah That's

[00:45:20] Yeah, we edit so you could take your time. Yeah, I mean fuck man, it's like There's so many well there there are and I mean they all they all mean a lot but at different times of my life

[00:45:34] Yeah, so I would have to kind of go back to maybe the some of the original Kind of like like like what like AC DC highway to hell because that album

[00:45:48] Kind of set a tone like I moved from liking kiss and then I found I bought that album and And obviously Right after I think I got it in like 79 and then right after that bond Scott passed away It's not my fault and then

[00:46:05] And then back in black came out I mean and that was an amazing album and so obviously with my ashes were it either of those It would be sort of a weird symbolism. Yeah With bond forever. Hell, yeah bond Yeah, I don't know man

[00:46:28] I mean it's either that or Zeppelin because Bonham has always been I was a big fan of John Bonham before I drum and obviously even though I may not necessarily play like him I I

[00:46:42] Definitely relate the most with him because it's just goes back the furthest. Yeah, and so it would be like, you know I'll fucking physical graffiti or something You know, but but I would have to go highway to hell cuz that have a man

[00:46:57] It kind of fucking blew my mind when I heard it as a kid. I was like, wow, this is fucking dirty shit right here All right final question is who is on your Mount Rushmore of punk rock you get five people because you get a crazy horse

[00:47:14] So five people who you would consider on the Mount Rushmore of punk rock or just whatever you consider Punk to be you know doesn't necessarily have to be like So defined

[00:47:27] Wow, well, I mean people wise like I mean there's the bands on the obvious punk rock like HR You know all the all the people that started it all for me Ian HR, I mean black flag you circle jerk you could go Keith Morris or fucking Henry

[00:47:49] Jason Jason and I mean, I don't know if I you can you has to be a person or a band or person Or five people like like I mean Bob if I was bomber created our gal and I and I love that band before

[00:48:03] I was ever in it and bombers I think I think what he did was there was there's nothing really like that and it certainly stands alone So bands like the bad brains, you know HR definitely for the bad brains because he's

[00:48:20] In the day in the day. I mean there was nothing like fucking HR Jesus you see those like 82 83 Like New York fucking dude HR is like So fucking gnarly no one would even want to come up on stage because he was

[00:48:39] Fucking bad out the bands just repping. Yeah Yeah Obviously And I mean, you know fucking output I like Henry a lot with black flag because he was he was so fucking tense Yeah, there's the argument of all the keys and the Henry's and the whatever's but right

[00:49:03] They're all good, I don't care what anybody I mean, yeah But and What do I oh I need one more huh? Yes. You got HR. Yeah Ian Oh Bomber you said bomber oh So maybe that's five. Oh Well, yeah, there you go

[00:49:26] Bomber and Jason although bomber if I had to represent bomber, you know, he wrote he basically I mean Fuck it bomber and Jason. Okay. Yeah. Hell yeah, there's more obviously people You're biased of course it's biased But it's not it's not not true. That's right and there's

[00:49:47] Rkl influenced so many other bands that became They did and I don't and they because of mostly because of themselves, you know, it's kind of like I don't think that the band has really ever been given the credit it deserves for

[00:50:04] For no what they know not at all in like, I mean no one You know, there's no one that plays that kind of music that I know of in hardcore like is technical and is gnarly

[00:50:16] You know, there's a lot of hardcore bands, but I just think but but But Rkl because of all the problems and the you know, they basically kind of blew themselves up repeatedly

[00:50:28] Yeah, I think he got lost in the mix and then they probably burned some bridges. I don't know but yeah What are you gonna do? Yeah, I mean that that mic is the one person who consistently says How big of an influence Rkl was on no effects?

[00:50:42] Yeah, well, I mean yeah going all the way back. I mean he used to play one of those goofy basses like little joe You know way back because of that Yeah I mean the whole you know the beat that's that that basically smelly perfected

[00:51:00] You know like the portion of Rkl which is funny because that beat has never really been Like the main part of Rkl But it was a thing That no one else was really doing like it was usually the doom did on the bed

[00:51:16] Not do that, you know and then bomber was just sanely fast I mean I don't play nearly as fast and the band didn't even want to try to do that because they're like fuck It was too fast. It was like Bombers word was it's gotta be liquefy

[00:51:29] Like it's not not fast. It's gotta be fucking liquefy like so goddamn fast It's just almost fucking a straight line again. Like it's like If you listen to like live in berlin or any old on I mean, it's it's stupid

[00:51:44] But bomber was you know throwing in a lot of fucking fills he wasn't necessarily landing But it was so fast. You can't even tell it's just like It's that controlled chaos I mean, it's it's the bar that I like to keep like if you know

[00:51:59] Because that was part of it is like this technically this insanely fast Technical shit as much stuff is getting packed in there and they're going at like, you know fucking mock eight Yeah, so he kind of like unofficially gets credit for the first person to like play that

[00:52:18] That beat kind of on drums kind of Uh, oh smelly. No, no bomber. Oh bomber. No bomber took from a couple different places and sort of put that beat together and then

[00:52:33] And then basically like no effects and smelly. I mean Mike probably they kind of picked up on it way back when And smelly's foot. I mean is like a sample. I mean he's no one plays it like that that that beat as well as smelly does

[00:52:49] It's yeah, it's pretty fucking perfect and He's an amazing drummer He's built a lot around that and then Mike basically built, you know, a whole thing around it. I mean that And so and then everyone else sort of came in behind it that was uh influenced by it

[00:53:08] Since since you just brought it up before we go About kick pedals Share a little story with you a band that I was in in the late 90s um, we had gone to see It was in dc

[00:53:21] I can't remember who else was playing but it was while you were playing so maybe it might have been the early 2000s while you were playing with good riddance And uh, my buddy who was the drummer in that band You know played with like a double bass pedal

[00:53:34] But he played like punk beat the double bass pedal and he at the time he thought that that's how Pretty much everyone was doing it And he saw you playing it With one foot and one pedal and uh, you completely blew his mind

[00:53:48] And changed his game for the rest of his life Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, because he was so unbelievably blown away Uh by you playing like just what you were doing at that show Oh, it's rad. I was playing with good riddance

[00:54:02] Yeah, it was when you were playing with good rins. Yeah, because you played on that one ep there's right Yeah, yeah, I played. Yeah, that was fun Yeah, and so yeah, you were torn with him right after that ep came out

[00:54:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was those guys that was super fun. Yeah I was I was I was uh Stoked to be able to sit in for a second and uh, but it's great that Sean's back

[00:54:23] So, you know, there was a way that I was a period for a good gr Yeah, since you brought up kick pedals that jogged my my mind of that story and Yeah, I mean absolutely double pedals. I never I never cheated. I never used it

[00:54:37] Uh, I never used it To do that beat though I used to use it for fills like all kinds of other shit, but I never used it for like, you know, to to do the doubles Yeah

[00:54:48] Part people started doing that and it makes for a very solid, you know, bubba, but like a It makes it way more consistent, you know Um, then a single foot will ever be unless you're smelly

[00:55:04] But it's but it's kind of cheating to do that because that wasn't ever how it was done I mean and that's I I say cheating like like I'm a fucking gatekeeper Whatever do whatever you want, I don't But uh

[00:55:20] It's sort of the challenge is to try to do that beat and then go faster and faster and do it to you know That was always the challenge. So I mean when we did the so the rkl stuff now

[00:55:31] Uh, the richest rags stuff. There's a double pedal. I was doing double kick shit all kinds of crazy stuff Not on that double beat not on that part But I was doing a lot of stuff and when we were deciding to do this

[00:55:43] I was like, I'm not gonna do that I'm gonna do it all with single pedal and I got to figure out some of the fills I did and some of the shit I did was had some double stuff going on and I'm like, fuck. How am I gonna

[00:55:55] You know, I got to figure out how to do this So I kind of figured it out. There's a few songs where you know, I'm like

[00:56:02] I try to do something it's it's not quite the same but it's sort of a variation to get there to get from what I did To what I try to do now, but What you gotta do?

[00:56:16] Um, well awesome. Thanks again, and I'm actually I'm flying out to LA again to see no effects as final Shows in October so I will be seeing lag wagon and I'm stoked about that. So see you there. Yeah, hell. Yeah

[00:56:29] Um, all right. Thanks Dave. It was awesome meeting you and thanks so much for doing this. Thank you. Yeah, all right Nice to meet you later. Later. Take care later And I'll do this shit. I can still hear you

[00:56:48] All right, so what what do I have to press? close