Mike Billups and NOFX!

[00:00:00] What's going on everyone? Welcome to another episode of Our Brains Hurt. Thank you so much for hanging out on this awesome October day. This coming Friday, October 18th, if you guys are in the Maryland, DC area, head over to Morseberger's Tavern in Catonsville, Maryland, just south of Baltimore. Check out my band, The Blanks. We're playing a show we're opening for Subtastics, Luxury Teeth, and Skyjacker. That's Morseberger's Tavern, Catonsville, Maryland, Friday, October 18th.

[00:00:29] It'd be awesome to see you there. Now, let's get to the show.

[00:00:33] What up, Ron?

[00:01:29] What's up, Mike? How you doing?

[00:01:30] Good, how are you?

[00:01:31] Good, good. Good to see you, dude.

[00:01:33] Good to see you. Matt's in the house. Matt's in the house.

[00:01:36] What's up?

[00:01:38] So NOFX.

[00:01:39] It's like talking about NOFX. Let's talk about Fat Rec.

[00:01:42] Oh, it's done.

[00:01:44] That's crazy.

[00:01:45] Fat Mike was like, I'm done with NOFX and I'm done with Fat Records.

[00:01:50] Fat Records isn't dumb.

[00:01:52] Mike sold his, is selling his...

[00:01:55] It's not Fat Records anymore.

[00:01:57] It's not?

[00:01:58] It's hopeless. Hopeless bought fat.

[00:02:01] Not in its entirety.

[00:02:04] What do you mean not in its entirety?

[00:02:06] Did Aaron sell her 50% of Fat?

[00:02:08] Yes, there's no more Fat Records.

[00:02:10] It's hopeless records now.

[00:02:11] Now, do we know...

[00:02:13] Okay, so I've read the posts that have been made from the blog sites, but Fat hasn't made

[00:02:19] an official post or made...

[00:02:21] Like, are we all just going off of what we read on, like, the punk news and those types

[00:02:26] of sites?

[00:02:26] Because that's all I've seen is that these big, like, two nights ago, oh, big news.

[00:02:33] Fat has sold everything to hopeless.

[00:02:38] But...

[00:02:38] As far as I know, and I don't know, going on what I've seen from different reports, Fat

[00:02:46] Records, like Fat Mike and Aaron, there is no more Fat Records.

[00:02:53] Hopeless Records bought all of Fat Records.

[00:02:57] Yeah.

[00:02:57] And it is now Hopeless Records.

[00:02:59] And Hopeless Records is the new umbrella.

[00:03:02] Yeah.

[00:03:03] Well, the Hopeless Records was bought by a subsidiary of a major label years ago.

[00:03:08] Was it?

[00:03:09] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:03:10] I don't know anything about Hopeless.

[00:03:12] Hopeless Records back in the day in the 90s was some fucking rad record label.

[00:03:16] Yeah, I remember that, but I haven't...

[00:03:18] But yeah, during those...

[00:03:19] Honestly, I didn't even know Hopeless Records was still a thing until I found out that they

[00:03:22] bought Fat.

[00:03:22] Well, yeah, because they don't exist in, like, the underground punk scene anymore because,

[00:03:27] you know, during the time when, like, all the major labels were buying up all the punk

[00:03:32] rock labels, like Victory Records sold.

[00:03:34] Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:35] Hopeless was one of those, and that's why their entire, like...

[00:03:40] All the music on Hopeless Records changed from, like, cool punk rock into, like, Screamo.

[00:03:46] Oh, okay.

[00:03:47] Yeah, there's some cool punk bands.

[00:03:48] Hopeless has some cool punk bands right now.

[00:03:51] Yeah.

[00:03:51] But, yeah, you're not wrong.

[00:03:53] Like, right now, they're...

[00:03:54] I think they're back...

[00:03:55] It's like, I don't think they...

[00:03:56] Like, a lot of labels, like, they reestablished themselves as an independent again recently.

[00:04:03] So, like, Hopeless is no longer owned by, like, another business conglomerate.

[00:04:07] They're their own independent again.

[00:04:10] Just like a lot of labels bought back their catalogs and, you know, reestablished themselves

[00:04:14] as an independent business.

[00:04:18] I hate to say this, because if you'd asked me 30 minutes ago, I could have named four

[00:04:23] or five bands.

[00:04:23] But there are some cool bands on Hopeless right now.

[00:04:26] My question is, I wonder, what does that mean for the fat bands that are on fat right now?

[00:04:33] Like, what's that mean for Bad Cop?

[00:04:35] What's that mean for Direct Hit?

[00:04:37] What's it mean for Ladder?

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:40] Yeah.

[00:04:41] I mean, none of these bands...

[00:04:42] Well, I mean, some of these bands, like Pairs and Direct Hit and The Bomb Pops and Bad Cop.

[00:04:48] They're...

[00:04:49] Bad Cop.

[00:04:49] Like, there are some bands that need the help.

[00:04:52] But then there are some of these bands, like Lagwagon, they don't have any problem.

[00:04:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:57] Like, you know, strung out.

[00:04:58] They're not...

[00:04:59] They're not, you know, they're not sitting there going, oh, no, Fat Records doesn't exist

[00:05:02] anymore.

[00:05:02] What are we going to do?

[00:05:04] I mean, all these...

[00:05:05] I mean, they might be, because it really depends on how some of these people run their labels,

[00:05:09] because, you know, Aaron is who ran Fat Records, not Mike.

[00:05:14] And Aaron really took care of bands.

[00:05:17] Yeah.

[00:05:18] Are the people that run...

[00:05:22] That was known to be a good payout.

[00:05:24] They were good with payouts.

[00:05:25] Nobody was fucked on fat.

[00:05:27] That was like, you know, well-known that everybody got treated well on fat and was paid what they

[00:05:34] rode.

[00:05:35] Yeah.

[00:05:35] And if a band, like, you know, pairs who still, like, travels in a van, you know, small

[00:05:40] van or whatever, if their van broke down, fat would, like, turn around and, like, essentially,

[00:05:45] like, shell out money so they could continue their tour with, like, a new van, you know?

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:51] That's not a thing that a lot of labels do.

[00:05:54] There's so many unanswered questions.

[00:05:55] If this is real...

[00:05:57] Like, let's say this is real.

[00:05:59] Hopeless really did buy fat.

[00:06:01] What does it mean for fat?

[00:06:02] Does it mean that Hopeless bought fat and they're going to...

[00:06:06] All the bands that are currently signed to fat are going to operate as hopeless bands or

[00:06:10] their contracts?

[00:06:12] I was told recently that fat doesn't sign bands.

[00:06:15] Like, I was told that bands on fat don't have contracts.

[00:06:19] Like, if you're on fat, yes, strong outs on fat, but they're not contractually obligated

[00:06:24] to fat.

[00:06:25] They can do whatever the fuck they want.

[00:06:25] It's like album contracts.

[00:06:27] Yeah.

[00:06:27] Yeah.

[00:06:27] They go album to album.

[00:06:29] Yeah.

[00:06:29] So it's like, let's say Hopeless really did buy fat.

[00:06:34] The fat name ceases to exist.

[00:06:36] Are all these bands going to be on Hopeless?

[00:06:39] Or is Hopeless going to cherry pick who they want?

[00:06:41] But, I mean, there's a good possibility that Hopeless is best as buying the back catalog.

[00:06:46] Hopeless might just want...

[00:06:47] We just want to be able to re-release, like, for the next 20 years, re-release no effects

[00:06:53] records with, like, new variants and, like, make money off your back catalog.

[00:06:57] Well, I just want to say to Dave Ron, if you're listening, Snub Records will sign Lagwagon.

[00:07:07] My friend Brandon that owns Punkin' and Records.

[00:07:11] My friend Brandon that owns Punkin' and Records out of Columbus, Ohio.

[00:07:15] He made a post two days ago.

[00:07:17] Or, like, yes, probably yesterday.

[00:07:19] He was like, any fat bands that are looking for a label, Punkin's ready.

[00:07:25] I was like...

[00:07:26] Hell yeah.

[00:07:26] Yeah.

[00:07:29] My guess is that some of the bands will probably stick with Hopeless and some of the other

[00:07:35] bands will move on to other labels.

[00:07:39] Yeah.

[00:07:41] If Fat Records is indeed completely done, because...

[00:07:45] I mean, is it...

[00:07:46] Are we all sure that both Mike and Aaron sold all of their stakes?

[00:07:51] No, I don't think anybody's sure of anything right now.

[00:07:53] Yeah.

[00:07:54] Yeah.

[00:07:54] Yeah.

[00:07:55] Yeah.

[00:07:55] There's a lot of unanswered questions.

[00:07:58] People...

[00:07:58] I don't know if you guys have done this, but I immediately went to, like, recent fat posts

[00:08:02] on Instagram and Facebook.

[00:08:04] And there's a bunch of people, like, let's talk about the elephant in the room.

[00:08:07] And, like, commenting on, hey, look at this picture from the NoFX's last show.

[00:08:12] Oh, yeah, that's a cool picture.

[00:08:14] But let's talk about the elephant in the room.

[00:08:16] And the fat's not...

[00:08:17] Yeah.

[00:08:18] They haven't made any, like, public posts yet.

[00:08:21] But it's like, there's a lot of unanswered questions.

[00:08:23] Like, Hopeless might just be running fat.

[00:08:26] They might keep the name.

[00:08:27] Like, if I owned Hopeless Records, I would probably continue to run fat as fat because

[00:08:32] the name is...

[00:08:33] Fat is a bigger name than Hopeless.

[00:08:36] Yes.

[00:08:36] Why would you get rid of the name of Hopeless?

[00:08:38] If the people that are Hopeless think that's wrong, they're stupid.

[00:08:40] Yeah.

[00:08:41] If you own Hopeless Records, whoever you are, if you own Hopeless Records and you're listening

[00:08:45] to this and you think that your label's name is bigger than Fat Rec, you're stupid.

[00:08:49] You are wrong.

[00:08:50] Yeah.

[00:08:50] Why would you get rid of the name?

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:52] That would be an idiotic move.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:56] Yeah.

[00:08:56] It also makes me think, and again, this is just me talking shit, but Mike, a year, year

[00:09:04] and a half ago, Mike started Bottles to the Ground.

[00:09:06] Did he know this was going to happen?

[00:09:09] Whenever...

[00:09:09] Is this like a two-year thing?

[00:09:11] Like, I know I'm going to end NoFX.

[00:09:14] I know as soon as NoFX ends, we're going to sell fat and be done with fat, but I don't

[00:09:19] want to be done with doing a label, so let me start this other little label where I can

[00:09:24] do my own shit.

[00:09:24] Mike is extremely intelligent.

[00:09:27] Yeah.

[00:09:27] He's a very, very, very smart person.

[00:09:30] And he is always...

[00:09:34] There's a method to his madness.

[00:09:37] Yes.

[00:09:38] I'm sure.

[00:09:39] I'm sure he knew about this.

[00:09:41] When he started planning NoFX's final tour, I'm sure that's when he started planning, what

[00:09:45] am I going to do with fat records?

[00:09:47] Yeah.

[00:09:48] Because like, let's be honest, his wife is...

[00:09:50] He's pushing 60.

[00:09:51] His wife's pushing 60.

[00:09:52] Yeah.

[00:09:52] You know, ex-wife, but everybody's still at first.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:55] She's pushing 60.

[00:09:56] They both...

[00:09:56] Like, she might have just said, hey, man, you're retiring your band.

[00:10:01] I'd kind of like to retire doing this bullshit.

[00:10:04] Totally.

[00:10:04] Like, we both know running a label, man, even when it's small potatoes, it's kind of bullshit.

[00:10:10] Like, if it's big...

[00:10:11] If you're fat and it's big...

[00:10:13] It's annoying as shit.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:14] I mean, imagine like, we're just dudes running little labels that nobody knows.

[00:10:20] Yeah.

[00:10:20] And we think it's bullshit.

[00:10:21] Imagine the bullshit of running a big label.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:26] Well, since we're on the subject, I'll give a shout out to all the Fat Rec employees.

[00:10:32] Just number one, for having to go through this shit and probably not knowing the future

[00:10:37] and what they're doing.

[00:10:38] And number two, for the time that I went to Fat Records and with Michelle...

[00:10:48] Why can I not remember her last name or whatever?

[00:10:51] We'll just say Merch Slut.

[00:10:52] How about that?

[00:10:54] They got me a nice little private tour of Fat, which is a small place.

[00:10:59] But the Fat Records employees, as soon as I walked in there for that...

[00:11:03] Oh, Michelle Parsons.

[00:11:04] That's her name.

[00:11:07] They made sure I had a freaking beer in my hand the entire time.

[00:11:12] And when my beer started to get low, they were like, you need another one?

[00:11:15] And so, yeah.

[00:11:17] They would not let me not have a fucking beer in my hand the whole time I was walking around

[00:11:21] that place.

[00:11:22] It was cool as shit.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:24] Well, if it makes you feel any better, I was told probably a year ago that there aren't

[00:11:30] many fat employees currently, like less than five.

[00:11:34] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Oh, yeah.

[00:11:34] There's not a lot.

[00:11:36] But the people that greeted me when I first walked in just put a six-pack of PBR up on

[00:11:42] the table and were just like, here you go.

[00:11:44] And yeah.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] It was super rad.

[00:11:48] And they treated me super, super fucking cool.

[00:11:51] So big shout out to whoever was working there at the time who took care of me while I was

[00:11:58] hanging out there.

[00:12:00] Yeah.

[00:12:00] That's awesome.

[00:12:01] I do have a quick Dave Ron story that I want to tell from this past weekend.

[00:12:05] So my brother and I went to the final no-effect shows this past weekend out in LA.

[00:12:11] We went to Saturday and Sunday.

[00:12:13] It was Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

[00:12:14] We didn't go to Friday.

[00:12:16] On Saturday, we had VIP side stage passes, which were not worth it.

[00:12:24] The side stage.

[00:12:25] When I got side stage passes in Ohio last year, they were incredible.

[00:12:29] I was on the stage.

[00:12:30] It was nothing separating us and the artists.

[00:12:34] This at San Pedro in California, it was horrible.

[00:12:39] But we were up on the side stage before Lagwagon went on and Dave Ron's drum set, his drum kit

[00:12:46] was there and he walked over and he was kind of starting to fuck with it.

[00:12:51] And it was my brother and I and there was probably five or six other people right up there.

[00:12:56] And I was like, Dave Ron, I was like, crush it tonight.

[00:12:58] And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:12:59] And he comes up and shakes my hand.

[00:13:00] I was like, also, you were on my podcast a couple of months ago.

[00:13:04] And he goes, oh, yeah, it's Ron, right?

[00:13:07] And I was like, yeah.

[00:13:07] Oh, man, that's awesome.

[00:13:11] That's great.

[00:13:12] Not only did he know our podcast, but he knew which one I was.

[00:13:15] Which was fucking like, and I was like, yeah.

[00:13:19] And it was the coolest thing ever.

[00:13:22] And then after they played this, one of the stage hands there, she was breaking down.

[00:13:30] And she had she picked up the set list.

[00:13:34] And it was all these dudes around me that were like, hey, can you hold up the set list so we can take a picture of it?

[00:13:39] So we can take a picture of it.

[00:13:40] And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:13:41] She's holding it up and everybody's taking a picture of it.

[00:13:43] I was like, hey, can I have the set list?

[00:13:45] And she's like, yeah.

[00:13:46] And I just grabbed.

[00:13:47] And everybody's like, oh, my God, what the fuck?

[00:13:49] I was like, dude, you got to ask.

[00:13:51] You got to ask.

[00:13:52] So I have.

[00:13:54] If you see right there.

[00:13:57] Oh, that's great.

[00:13:58] It is the lag.

[00:13:59] That's from Dave Ron's drum set.

[00:14:00] That's lag wagons set list from no effects.

[00:14:02] His last show ever.

[00:14:04] Yeah, that's pretty badass.

[00:14:07] That's that's one of the situations where you're like, don't, you know, don't neglect to ask.

[00:14:14] The worst they could say is no.

[00:14:15] She's holding and they're all taking pictures of it.

[00:14:17] And she looks at me.

[00:14:18] I was like, hey, can I have that?

[00:14:20] She's like, yeah, here you go.

[00:14:21] I just rolled it up, put it in my pocket.

[00:14:23] They were like, ah.

[00:14:26] That's awesome.

[00:14:28] So it's crazy.

[00:14:29] Did you get to go to a baseball game while you were out there?

[00:14:32] I did not.

[00:14:34] Did you get to watch the game you wanted to watch?

[00:14:36] Yeah.

[00:14:37] I got to watch the Mets Brewers with my brother.

[00:14:40] Game three.

[00:14:41] Game three.

[00:14:42] And it's funny because right after the Matt hits me up, he's like, I hope you guys were watching it still for the home run.

[00:14:48] And we were.

[00:14:49] Yeah.

[00:14:50] I was like, I texted him the next morning.

[00:14:52] I was like, I was like, dude.

[00:14:54] Yeah.

[00:14:54] Tell me you guys kept the game on.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:58] To see that fucking Pete Alonzo home run.

[00:15:00] We were pissed at that time right before the home run.

[00:15:04] Yeah.

[00:15:04] But we were fucking going ape shit.

[00:15:06] And I mean, you know, New York Mets fans, God bless us.

[00:15:12] We don't have anything.

[00:15:14] I mean, 1986 was our shit.

[00:15:17] And that's a long time ago.

[00:15:20] Yes.

[00:15:20] And then we took the Phillies down.

[00:15:22] Who's got AIDS now?

[00:15:23] Phillies fans.

[00:15:24] That's right.

[00:15:27] Where did you where did you and your brother watch the game from?

[00:15:31] Did you go to a bar?

[00:15:32] No, we were at his house.

[00:15:33] We were at his house in L.A.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:35] Was that Friday?

[00:15:37] That was Thursday night.

[00:15:40] Okay.

[00:15:41] Yeah.

[00:15:41] That was Thursday night.

[00:15:42] Oh, wait.

[00:15:43] What was it?

[00:15:43] Friday.

[00:15:43] Wait a second.

[00:15:46] Was it?

[00:15:46] No.

[00:15:47] No, it was Thursday because it was a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday series.

[00:15:51] Yeah.

[00:15:54] Yeah.

[00:15:54] So it was just, it was awesome.

[00:15:58] It was great.

[00:15:59] And then, yeah, just, just to have them.

[00:16:01] It's funny because we were at the, we were at the show on Saturday.

[00:16:04] There was some dude fucking around.

[00:16:07] I don't know if he was friends with one of the bands or whatever, but he was like with

[00:16:10] his kid.

[00:16:10] He had a Mets hat on and it was like the first game of the Phillies series.

[00:16:16] And after every band, like the descendants would play and then he'd be like, all right,

[00:16:19] here's a score.

[00:16:20] We'd be like talking back and forth.

[00:16:21] Like, all right.

[00:16:22] It's like so many Met fans.

[00:16:26] Unfortunately for humans, there's a lot of methods.

[00:16:32] Yeah.

[00:16:32] It's, it's, it's funny when you think about that.

[00:16:34] Like you would think like from an outsider perspective, you would think you're, you're

[00:16:38] in LA.

[00:16:39] There's gonna be a lot of Dodgers fans, but LA is a, it's a town of in play.

[00:16:43] It's fan.

[00:16:44] Like a lot of New York, a lot of New Yorkers in LA.

[00:16:47] Yeah.

[00:16:47] Not as many as in Florida, but a lot.

[00:16:49] There's still a lot in LA.

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[00:17:50] Mike, talk about your new effects comp.

[00:17:52] Cause I know.

[00:17:53] So yeah, this is one of the reasons we're doing this show tonight.

[00:17:56] So, um, an hour and 15 minutes into it.

[00:18:01] Let's let's, let's talk about why you're here.

[00:18:03] Yeah.

[00:18:04] So, so, um, you know, a little bit of backstory been a no effects fans since I was like 14.

[00:18:14] Um, I had, uh, I had an art class when I was a sophomore in high school and this girl, Kim

[00:18:20] Cole, um, she, uh, I was listening to, uh, God damn.

[00:18:25] I can't remember what it was.

[00:18:26] I think it was white zombie lost sex or Cito, or it was some metal album.

[00:18:30] Um, and, uh, she asked me if I liked punk.

[00:18:34] And at that point, my, the only thing that I knew that was punk was through metal, which

[00:18:39] was the misfits.

[00:18:41] And I was like, yeah, I like the misfits.

[00:18:42] And I said, I really liked the Metallica garage days.

[00:18:45] I actually had, I vividly remember I had that, that little, you know, this is 1994 or 95.

[00:18:52] You know, I still have my Sony sport yellow Walkman.

[00:18:56] So I'm in my art class where we're allowed to listen to our Walkmans or our, you know,

[00:19:00] CD, whatever CD disc men, whatever the fuck they were called.

[00:19:03] So I had, I had that, you know, garage days tape on me and I pull it out.

[00:19:08] I was like, well, I really like this.

[00:19:09] And I liked the misfits.

[00:19:10] And she was like, that's not punk.

[00:19:12] And she said, tomorrow I'm going to bring you something.

[00:19:14] And, you know, God bless her.

[00:19:17] She brought me a copy of, see, I've told this story before and I think I'm wrong.

[00:19:26] What, what year did, did, did a heavy petting zoo come out?

[00:19:32] Ninety, 97, 90, no, we're not heavy petting zoo.

[00:19:38] Ninety six.

[00:19:40] Okay.

[00:19:40] Was it that early?

[00:19:42] Yeah.

[00:19:42] Well, so let me.

[00:19:44] Yeah.

[00:19:44] Use my Google machine real quick.

[00:19:46] I saw them on tour for heavy petting zoo in February of 96.

[00:19:52] I believe it was February, may have been March, but.

[00:19:59] But yeah, 90, 96, it came out in 96.

[00:20:02] So I've told this story so many times.

[00:20:05] January 31st, 1996.

[00:20:07] You're right.

[00:20:08] Jeez.

[00:20:09] So this is my own story about how I got into no effects and basically became, you know, the huge fan of punk rock that I am.

[00:20:16] And I've told her wrong this whole time.

[00:20:17] For the longest time, I thought Kim Cole let me borrow her copy of heavy petting zoo, but the timeline doesn't make sense.

[00:20:24] So she must have let me borrow her copy of punk and drubble.

[00:20:28] Okay.

[00:20:28] But either way, she brought me a copy of a no effects cassette, say, go home, listen to this, keep it through the weekend.

[00:20:36] I vividly remember as a Thursday, she was like, you can keep it through the weekend, bring it back to my money.

[00:20:40] I fucking want it back.

[00:20:41] Double copy, do whatever you want, but just get into this band.

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:45] I've been an no effects fan ever since.

[00:20:48] So, you know, I, I said like when, whenever the announcement that they were, you know, going on their final couple years of touring and that was going to be it.

[00:20:58] I said to some friends, I was like, man, if there's any, cause I'd already done my operation Ivy tribute album.

[00:21:04] I'd already done the Metallica tribute album.

[00:21:06] And I was like, man, if there's any band that I, that, you know, I owe my love of punk rock to it's obviously no effects.

[00:21:13] Yeah.

[00:21:13] I've got to do a tribute album.

[00:21:15] And right then in that very moment, I knew whoever I was talking to, I knew what the cover I was going to be.

[00:21:21] I was like, I'm going to do a rip on.

[00:21:24] I heard they suck live, but I'm going to call the album.

[00:21:28] I heard they broke up.

[00:21:29] Yeah.

[00:21:30] And I was like, cause that that's pretty clever.

[00:21:31] I mean, if they're breaking up and my goal was to have it out before they broke up.

[00:21:35] Which I did accomplish 50% of my goal, but I'll get into that.

[00:21:39] So yeah, I was, you know, that was, that was the idea.

[00:21:42] Like when I found out they were breaking up or they were retiring now as they're going to call it, but retiring, I heard they retired.

[00:21:48] It does not sound as cool as I heard they broke up.

[00:21:50] Not at all.

[00:21:51] Yeah.

[00:21:52] So I knew, I knew who I was going to have do the art.

[00:21:55] I knew the name and I knew it was going to be a comp.

[00:21:57] I didn't know it was going to turn into a triple LP and a double CD.

[00:22:02] I didn't know it was going to be of the band camp version.

[00:22:05] It was going to have 64 songs and the CD vinyl version was going to have 62 songs.

[00:22:10] I didn't know that I was going to be that ambitious, but here we are.

[00:22:15] So, um, so cough and curse my, my small label.

[00:22:18] I, I, I released, um, I'm holding this, the double album CD right here.

[00:22:23] Um, these actually came out in March.

[00:22:24] The digital came out, the digital and the CD released the same day back in March.

[00:22:28] Um, the vinyl still hasn't arrived.

[00:22:31] I'll get into that, but yeah.

[00:22:33] So, uh, double CD, triple vinyl.

[00:22:36] Um, the vinyl is, uh, it's going to be a gatefold, like high quality.

[00:22:43] Like when it finally starts shipping, it's going to blow people away.

[00:22:47] Like we went above and beyond, but even this double CD is fucking bad-ass.

[00:22:52] Like, um, digipack double CD.

[00:22:55] Um, like I said, 62 songs.

[00:22:58] I was crazy fucking ambitious.

[00:23:00] I went too far.

[00:23:01] I accepted way too many bands, but it is what it is.

[00:23:05] Uh, the CD issue was nothing.

[00:23:07] The band camp digital issue was nothing that there was nothing about that.

[00:23:11] That was hard.

[00:23:11] Like I said, the CD came out on time.

[00:23:14] The band camp dropped on time, but the vinyl has been delayed and delayed and delayed and

[00:23:18] delayed, delayed to hell.

[00:23:19] I still haven't even received, um, so my first set of test presses came in, like I said, triple

[00:23:25] vinyl, um, disc one, great.

[00:23:28] No issues.

[00:23:29] This two great.

[00:23:30] No issues.

[00:23:31] This three absolutely fucking litter with issues had, um, pops on.

[00:23:37] There was a full song missing.

[00:23:39] It had some popping throughout the, the, the full, the full test press on this three.

[00:23:44] And, um, it had some phasing issues, which if you're not familiar with phasing issues,

[00:23:48] if you're listening to this, um, it's just like, kind of, you, you hear the volume dips

[00:23:54] and it's kind of like if, if, if there was, if you were running a needle over water, you

[00:23:59] hear like, so just literally use.

[00:24:04] And I can cut this out if you don't want me to say it.

[00:24:06] No, it's cool.

[00:24:07] Um, uh, fuck them.

[00:24:08] I'll never use them again.

[00:24:08] They can eat my ass.

[00:24:10] Uh, it's a company called Mobe Niko out of Taiwan, China, or well, Taiwan's not in China.

[00:24:16] Taiwan's their own country.

[00:24:17] So yeah.

[00:24:18] Taiwan, you ask China, then yeah.

[00:24:21] Yeah.

[00:24:21] Yeah.

[00:24:22] Now I will say this.

[00:24:24] I have never, I've never used any other company for CDs.

[00:24:29] I use atomic disc for tapes.

[00:24:32] I use a couple of different companies, mostly, um, um, duplication.ca out of Canada.

[00:24:39] Yeah.

[00:24:39] But for vinyl, I've never used anyone, but Mobe Niko, um, for the first seven years,

[00:24:45] they did me nothing but great.

[00:24:47] I had nothing but good things to say about Mobe Niko.

[00:24:50] Now, um, back in 2023, when I released my Metallica tribute album, um, they delayed the

[00:24:59] shit out of it and made a ton of fucking, um, they put all the blame on Metallica's

[00:25:04] camp, even though I had the, my paperwork was right.

[00:25:07] Long story short.

[00:25:09] Um, I was even, I literally spoke to Metallica's manager, like the fucking, um, the, the,

[00:25:15] their business manager, like the dude, you, you've seen this motherfucker in documentaries.

[00:25:19] I spoke to that guy on the phone three times and this dude was like, you're doing nothing

[00:25:24] wrong.

[00:25:24] These people are jerking you around.

[00:25:26] They're just trying to delay you to death.

[00:25:28] Um, you've done everything right.

[00:25:31] So I shame on me.

[00:25:34] They fucked me royally and ended up being, it was like about a two and a half month delay

[00:25:39] on the Metallica tributes.

[00:25:41] Now, shame on me.

[00:25:42] I gave him a second chance with this, this no effects record.

[00:25:45] And I will be honest, it was a huge mistake in judgment.

[00:25:48] I should, you know, you should not let somebody fuck you ever once and use them again.

[00:25:52] I had friends, the guys in my band, they were all like, don't use them again.

[00:25:56] That's, that's a bad idea.

[00:25:58] But the price tag, man, like this, this record, triple vinyl, 300 units, um, gatefold.

[00:26:08] It cost me $7,400.

[00:26:11] Wow.

[00:26:12] It was, Movinico's price was 7,400.

[00:26:15] Yeah.

[00:26:16] Um, in the U S it was going to be closer to 9,000.

[00:26:19] Yeah.

[00:26:20] Yeah.

[00:26:20] So for me, it was the dollars, but you know, yes, they fucked me on the timeline and there

[00:26:25] was delays with the Metallica record, but it's still quality wise.

[00:26:29] It's still 10 out of 10.

[00:26:31] Like Movinico has never done anything to, to me quality wise.

[00:26:35] It's always just been delays.

[00:26:37] They delay you to death.

[00:26:39] And even then, like I said, for the first seven years, I had nothing but kind things

[00:26:42] to say about it.

[00:26:43] I'd never had delays.

[00:26:44] I actually released a record in 2022 or maybe early 2023 for a band from Nashville called

[00:26:49] No Loves.

[00:26:50] Their record came in four months early.

[00:26:53] Like I was literally given an eight month turn because we ordered 700.

[00:26:57] We were a thousand units of the No Loves record.

[00:27:01] And I was told eight months, it came in in four months.

[00:27:04] The test presence came in at 30 days and three months later, all thousand units shipped and

[00:27:08] me and Jimbo, the singer No Loves, we were both like, holy fucking shit.

[00:27:12] What just happened?

[00:27:13] This shit came in half like, like, like insanely early.

[00:27:16] And that was the reason that was the main reason the No Loves record was the main reason

[00:27:20] I was like, maybe the Metallica record was more of a Metallica issue than Movinico and

[00:27:26] maybe Metallica's manager was bullshitting me.

[00:27:28] So that's why I said, nah, I'm going to use Movinico for this No Effects record because

[00:27:32] of the price.

[00:27:33] Like I'm saving almost two grand.

[00:27:35] Yeah.

[00:27:36] Um, but right now I'm sitting on, um, the, this number three, I'm still waiting on the

[00:27:43] new test press.

[00:27:45] Um, it, those, the, I rejected the test press on July 29th, you know, fast forward to what

[00:27:50] it's today is around like October 10th or some shit.

[00:27:53] I still have not received the new test press.

[00:27:55] I had a phone conversation with the Monday of this week and I was like, listen, I need,

[00:28:01] I either want my test press in the next two weeks or I want all my money back because

[00:28:07] I'm at the point.

[00:28:09] I don't know if I should even say this because people listen to this.

[00:28:12] I don't want, I don't want to give anybody the idea that I'm giving up.

[00:28:15] I'm at the point.

[00:28:16] If you want, well, between you guys and myself, I'm at the point where I'm like, give me my,

[00:28:21] I'm like, give me my money back.

[00:28:22] And I can just, cause it, this thing sold out in presale 300 units sold out in presale.

[00:28:27] Now the fact of the matter is I thought I sold 380 units.

[00:28:31] That leaves me when it comes in, I'll have 20 leftovers for any shit that happens.

[00:28:36] You know, Ron, you know where I'm coming from.

[00:28:37] Yeah.

[00:28:38] You like you ship a dude.

[00:28:39] Cause I sold this internationally.

[00:28:40] Right.

[00:28:41] I ship a dude.

[00:28:42] There's no effects record in great Britain.

[00:28:45] And he says it's been six months.

[00:28:46] It hasn't arrived.

[00:28:47] Right.

[00:28:47] I feel like it's my responsibility to have some back stock just in case some shit happens

[00:28:52] like this.

[00:28:53] So I can make it right with some people who like have some lost in transits or whatever.

[00:28:57] So I, I, I ordered 300 units.

[00:29:00] I sold two 80.

[00:29:02] I'm at the point like, this is the part where you probably should cut this out, but like,

[00:29:07] I'm at the point where I'm like, if I don't get this test press soon, I've got so many

[00:29:10] nasty emails coming my way.

[00:29:11] So many people being impatient, which I get it.

[00:29:14] I advertised that it was supposed to ship on July 15th.

[00:29:17] Yeah.

[00:29:17] It's fucking October, August.

[00:29:20] It's three months late now.

[00:29:22] And it's not going to be, it's, they're not going to be in before the new year.

[00:29:25] Like this shit's not going to ship until early 2024 or 2025.

[00:29:30] So I'm at the point where like, if I don't get the test press, I'm about to just tell

[00:29:34] them, give me my fucking money back and I will refund everybody's order.

[00:29:38] And this will just never come out on vinyl because the CDs 500 units of CDs.

[00:29:42] I have like 12 left sitting here in the house that I haven't decided what to do with.

[00:29:48] But that shit's already shipped.

[00:29:50] People have had their CDs since, since May.

[00:29:52] Oh wow.

[00:29:53] And I'm like, I'm like, man, I just feel like this is such, I don't want to, I don't

[00:30:01] want to bail on it, but it's so stressful.

[00:30:05] So yeah, I hear you.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:07] Here's the part where I'll get back into like things that I don't care to be included.

[00:30:12] Yeah.

[00:30:12] But, but like, basically if it wasn't for the delays, this thing would be, you know,

[00:30:18] cooking with gas.

[00:30:19] Like I said, the CDs came out on time.

[00:30:21] The digital did well.

[00:30:23] That it, the, if you go to the band camp and look at the, look at the coffin curse

[00:30:27] band camp page and look at the, the, the downloads.

[00:30:30] That's this, this no effects comp is the most downloaded thing I've released.

[00:30:34] So it, this across the board is the most successful thing I've done.

[00:30:37] 300 units sold out in pre-sale vinyl, uh, 500 CDs sold out in pre-sale.

[00:30:44] Um, I think there's been over 200, um, purchase downloads and, uh, it's the, it's the one

[00:30:51] project that I haven't lost a boatload of money on.

[00:30:54] Fuck yeah.

[00:30:54] That's cool.

[00:30:56] Yeah.

[00:30:56] But when, when the records come in, it's going to blow people away.

[00:31:00] It's, it's just been a very stressful time.

[00:31:04] Cause you know, Ron, you know, as well as I do that people are impatient and I love the

[00:31:10] people that have been patient, but the nasty emails and like, there's, there's a handful

[00:31:15] of dudes that are like, he's all, I mean, like we're in our forties.

[00:31:20] We're, we're in that, we're in that category.

[00:31:22] There's some, some older punk rock dudes that think that, you know, like I've offered a

[00:31:26] couple handfuls of people their money back, nobody's accepted, but there's some dudes

[00:31:30] that are email me weekly.

[00:31:31] Hey man, I talked to you last week with, I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, dude.

[00:31:35] Like I said, follow my social media.

[00:31:38] I will update you when I have an update.

[00:31:40] There's a part of me that thinks like, I've been told a couple of people told me, maybe

[00:31:44] you should just make weekly updates.

[00:31:45] I'm like, what am I supposed to do?

[00:31:46] Go on Instagram and go like, Hey, no news is bad news.

[00:31:50] Yeah.

[00:31:53] But like the record's great, man.

[00:31:55] Like, um, like I said, 62 songs.

[00:31:58] There's a lot of bands on here that have been on our brains hurt.

[00:32:01] Um, fucking, uh, deal boy curse words.

[00:32:08] Of course, my band reckless threats on here.

[00:32:12] Um, I'm not going to name all the bands.

[00:32:14] Um, but yeah, there's a lot of our brains hurt, um, bands that have been on your, your podcasts

[00:32:20] that are on the record.

[00:32:21] It's a solid fucking comp.

[00:32:23] Like I haven't had anyone give me any negative reviews as far as like the track listing.

[00:32:29] Yeah.

[00:32:30] Um, you know, for, for being 62 songs, there's no snoozers on it.

[00:32:33] It's a pretty solid fucking comp.

[00:32:35] I'm really proud of it.

[00:32:36] Like I said, the CD is totally sold out.

[00:32:39] I'm not going to repress it.

[00:32:40] Fat was nice enough to give me like a pretty good deal.

[00:32:44] Um, and I, I'm not going to go above what they agreed to let me press.

[00:32:49] Yeah.

[00:32:50] Like I could easily press some more, like, especially if they're being sold and like this, all this,

[00:32:57] like I'm so small potatoes, you guys know good and damn well that I could go right now

[00:33:02] and repress 500 CDs and sell it and make a boatload of money.

[00:33:05] Yeah.

[00:33:06] But it's, it's shit.

[00:33:08] I know that shitty of me to do and I'm just not going to do it.

[00:33:12] Yeah.

[00:33:12] But I know that I'm so small potatoes that they wouldn't, they wouldn't blink an eye if I

[00:33:16] did it, but I'm not going to.

[00:33:18] So if you want the CD, sorry, it's sold out.

[00:33:20] I'm not going to repress it.

[00:33:22] Um, like I said, I mean, there was 500 sold.

[00:33:25] So there might be some popping up on discogs at some point, but the digital download is still

[00:33:31] available.

[00:33:31] If you go to the coffin curse band camp, so just, you know, on band camp, just search

[00:33:35] for coffin curse knocks.

[00:33:36] Our band camp is just coffin curse KNOX.

[00:33:39] Um, it's still on there.

[00:33:41] It's as far as I know, it's never going to come down because Matt mentioned something about

[00:33:45] band camp breaking, you know, telling people they can't upload a cover songs anymore.

[00:33:53] But that's when Matt told me that a couple of days ago, that was news to me because they

[00:33:56] haven't, they haven't taken any of my cover song uploads down.

[00:33:59] I don't think they're, maybe they're going to like keep people from uploading new cover

[00:34:03] songs, you know, but it's, it's available on band camp.

[00:34:06] It's, you know, cheap as shit, like 10 bucks for fucking 62 or 64.

[00:34:11] The digital version has two bonus songs.

[00:34:15] Um, it's a rag comp.

[00:34:16] I'm super proud of it.

[00:34:19] And I would never have been in a band straight up, never would have been in a band if it

[00:34:23] wasn't for no effects.

[00:34:23] Cause like I grew up with metal head and I always wanted to do a band.

[00:34:28] But when I was a kid, I was like, I'm trying to play guitar.

[00:34:31] So from like the age of 13 to 16, I tried fiddling with the guitar and I never even learned

[00:34:36] a fucking chord.

[00:34:37] I just couldn't like, it wasn't in my wheelhouse.

[00:34:39] And then, um, my friend Timmy, he was like, so I can't pick up the drums.

[00:34:45] You can't pick up the guitar.

[00:34:46] He's like, why don't we flip?

[00:34:47] Why don't we switch?

[00:34:48] He's like, I'll give you the drum set.

[00:34:50] You give me that guitar.

[00:34:52] So I had this little, this little Strat copy.

[00:34:54] It was, uh, called area pro two was the brand, but it was like, it was just a Strat copy.

[00:35:00] Um, my dad bought it for me for like my 13th or 14th birthday.

[00:35:04] So I traded my friend Timmy, that Strat copy.

[00:35:08] He gave me like a fucking love wig, pretty killer drum set that I still have to this day.

[00:35:13] And I learned how to play drums in the six months.

[00:35:15] And, you know, within a year I was in a band and I've been playing in punk bands ever since.

[00:35:19] And it's honestly, it's all because no effects is like, there's other bands that I was inspired

[00:35:25] by, but that was the band that got me into that style of music.

[00:35:28] I'm not saying that I wouldn't have, not saying I wouldn't have become a fan of punk rock,

[00:35:32] but who knows?

[00:35:33] Like maybe I would have become a fan of like things that got popular.

[00:35:37] I probably would have been a fan of green day and the offspring and rancid and fucking, uh,

[00:35:44] blink one a two when they all, when punk blew up.

[00:35:47] Yeah.

[00:35:48] But you know, like my business partner is a huge fan of those bands, but he doesn't know

[00:35:54] lag wagon strung out propaganda, no effects.

[00:35:58] Like literally like my business partner at punk and drag is a huge fan of all of the punk

[00:36:04] that got popular.

[00:36:05] Like name a band that was on a major label that did well, AFI offspring, you know, good

[00:36:12] Charlotte naming those bands that he loves them and he thinks he's a big punker and that's

[00:36:16] great.

[00:36:17] But I'm like, dude, you very fucking heard the suicide machines.

[00:36:20] Yeah.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] And that's not like, that's not me shitting on him.

[00:36:25] Like, right.

[00:36:25] Totally.

[00:36:26] Yeah.

[00:36:26] That would, that that's what I would have been.

[00:36:27] Like, I would have been that dude too.

[00:36:29] Like, cause like I never got into like, you know, independent, like, I don't know a lot

[00:36:33] of the independent death metal bands that I was, you know, I was a fan of what was popular

[00:36:38] Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer.

[00:36:40] Like I didn't, I didn't know about mayhem and fucking anything independent.

[00:36:46] So thank you, Kim Cole.

[00:36:48] Thank you.

[00:36:48] No effects.

[00:36:49] Fuck.

[00:36:49] Yeah.

[00:36:49] Yeah.

[00:36:50] I will say a big regret and I can, there's nothing I can do about it.

[00:36:54] Cause I'm, I'm on the side of the fence that thinks that no effects will never play again.

[00:36:59] Um, I only got to see him once.

[00:37:00] I saw him for 30 minutes at warp tour in 2001.

[00:37:05] And that Mike walked up to the mic.

[00:37:07] It was a Pittsburgh 2001.

[00:37:10] That Mike walked up to the mic, made a couple of jokes.

[00:37:14] And then he said, I hope you guys like reggae.

[00:37:16] Cause that's what we're doing for the next 30 minutes.

[00:37:17] And they proceeded to play only reggae and dub for 30 minutes.

[00:37:22] And at the time in retrospect, it's pretty fucking rad.

[00:37:26] That's what I saw.

[00:37:27] Yeah.

[00:37:28] Yeah.

[00:37:28] But the time me and my wife were like, Holy shit.

[00:37:31] They didn't play.

[00:37:31] They literally played.

[00:37:32] I think like, like maybe eat the meek or something like they played like one or two songs I'd heard.

[00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:39] But they didn't play anything that, that, that anyone wanted.

[00:37:43] And the crowd booed.

[00:37:44] That sets on, on you.

[00:37:45] You can find that on YouTube.

[00:37:47] And throughout the set, you could hear audible boos.

[00:37:52] And they were just doing it to be fucking like they're on warped towards their board.

[00:37:56] And they wanted to be trolls and they got off on it.

[00:37:59] And for them, it was probably the coolest day of that tour.

[00:38:02] Totally.

[00:38:02] But that's my one no effects experience.

[00:38:06] The fact, and like friends, I've had people bust my balls recently.

[00:38:09] It's like, you put out a tribute album to your favorite punk band and you only saw them once.

[00:38:15] I'm like, man, there's a lot.

[00:38:16] I have an Alkaline Trio tattooed.

[00:38:18] I've never seen Alkaline Trio live.

[00:38:19] I just, I live, grew up in West Virginia.

[00:38:23] We didn't get shit.

[00:38:24] And now I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

[00:38:26] You would think, oh, you live in Knoxville.

[00:38:27] We don't get fucking shit here.

[00:38:30] I've lived here since 2012.

[00:38:32] And they're the four biggest punk bands that have come to this town are Agent Orange,

[00:38:38] The Misfits, Social Distortion, and The Menzingers are the four biggest punk bands we've had

[00:38:46] since I've lived here in 2012 because everyone skips Knoxville and goes to Nashville.

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] Yep.

[00:38:53] Like, you guys don't know.

[00:38:55] You guys don't even understand how good you have at living in that Baltimore, D.C. area.

[00:39:00] Yeah, I know.

[00:39:01] Yeah.

[00:39:01] You guys get fucking everything and we get nothing.

[00:39:04] Yeah.

[00:39:05] Yeah.

[00:39:05] I literally, literally talked to Fletcher from Pennywise about what it would take to get Pennywise here.

[00:39:12] And he was like, we might play Nashville in 2025.

[00:39:16] We're never going to play Knoxville.

[00:39:18] That is just too small of a market.

[00:39:20] And Knoxville also is notorious for a very high entertainment tax, which keeps bands away.

[00:39:26] Yeah.

[00:39:26] That sucks.

[00:39:28] Yeah.

[00:39:30] That's terrible.

[00:39:32] I mean, I saw no effects for the first time last year.

[00:39:36] Yeah.

[00:39:36] And I don't know how that, I don't know how that happened, but it happens.

[00:39:43] And, but does anybody do six pack girls on that comp?

[00:39:50] Yeah, I believe so.

[00:39:52] Let me check.

[00:39:53] So the writing on this is so damn small.

[00:39:56] My band is covering that next week and probably for the next three shows we played this year.

[00:40:03] It's crazy to me that you guys said.

[00:40:04] Because I demanded that we cover this.

[00:40:08] Combined, seen no effects of just a handful of times.

[00:40:10] Yeah.

[00:40:11] Three times.

[00:40:12] Yeah.

[00:40:12] I've seen them like 20 sometimes.

[00:40:15] Crazy.

[00:40:15] Yeah.

[00:40:16] Yeah.

[00:40:17] Well, I've seen them.

[00:40:20] I've seen them four different times, but it's only been at two different shows.

[00:40:23] Yeah.

[00:40:24] So I don't really count it as four different times.

[00:40:27] Six Pack Girls is not on there.

[00:40:29] No.

[00:40:29] God damn it.

[00:40:30] I actually have, so I have a, this will happen.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:38] I have a goal for not next year, but in 2026, I want to release a volume two of this.

[00:40:45] Okay.

[00:40:45] But, but I want it to be a double seven inch.

[00:40:49] Cool.

[00:40:49] Seven inches are cheaper.

[00:40:51] Seven inches.

[00:40:51] I don't have the delays of 12 inches.

[00:40:54] So I have, I have a goal to do a volume two, no effects tribute with a whole different gimmick.

[00:40:59] It's not going to be, I heard they, it's not going to be, I'll use the same artist for my cover art.

[00:41:04] Cool.

[00:41:05] Cool.

[00:41:05] And it'll be another take on another, like, it'd be a take on Punk and Drubbuck or White Trash.

[00:41:10] I'm thinking White Trash.

[00:41:12] Thinking of like, I'll do a riff on White Trash Tubes and a Bean.

[00:41:15] Yeah.

[00:41:16] So the artwork will be a riff on, on an no effects record, but it's going to be a double seven inch.

[00:41:21] And so it's going to be a limited amount of songs, but it's this list.

[00:41:25] I have a list of 10 songs that I was bummed that no one covered on this comp.

[00:41:29] Oh, cool.

[00:41:30] Okay.

[00:41:30] So like, I have this list.

[00:41:32] I was like, man, you know, nobody did these songs.

[00:41:35] And I'm like, cause I had, I had a conversation with a friend of mine.

[00:41:38] He was like, I can't believe no one did this.

[00:41:41] I can't believe no one did this.

[00:41:42] I was like, I can't believe no one did this.

[00:41:44] And like one of my friends bands, they ended up doing, um, cheese.

[00:41:50] Where's my slice?

[00:41:51] Which is a great cover.

[00:41:52] Yeah.

[00:41:52] And I was like, I was like, please do this song.

[00:41:55] I can't remember what it was.

[00:41:56] I was like, please fucking do this song.

[00:41:57] And I was like, I'll even pay for your recording.

[00:42:00] If you do this song.

[00:42:00] And they still ended up doing the song they wanted to do.

[00:42:02] I was like, God, there's a lot.

[00:42:04] The crazy thing about this comp is people need to go.

[00:42:07] I'm not going to read them.

[00:42:09] Please.

[00:42:09] Even if you don't want to, like, even if you don't want to pay for it, just please go to

[00:42:12] the band camp.

[00:42:13] If you're listening to this and you didn't even know this existed.

[00:42:15] Coven Curse records, no effects tribute.

[00:42:17] It's called a heard.

[00:42:18] They broke up.

[00:42:19] It's on band camp.

[00:42:21] Go there and just stream it for free.

[00:42:23] It's solid as fuck.

[00:42:24] But there are so many deep cuts.

[00:42:27] Like, I was blown away when bands were turning me in.

[00:42:30] Like, so many songs off of their, the no effects comp, like 48, what is it called?

[00:42:36] 48 songs that we.

[00:42:38] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:42:39] The, the, the comp that's all like the B side shit.

[00:42:42] Yeah.

[00:42:43] There's probably, I think there's like 15 songs on my comp that are from, that are no effects

[00:42:50] B sides that they didn't even put on albums.

[00:42:52] Wow.

[00:42:52] Cool.

[00:42:53] Like those, that's how solid their B sides were that people want to cover.

[00:42:56] Yeah, it's true.

[00:42:59] But yeah.

[00:42:59] So in, in the future, I'm going to do another no effects tribute.

[00:43:04] That's going to have the songs that I hate that didn't, you know, get used.

[00:43:09] Yeah.

[00:43:09] Cool.

[00:43:10] And six pack girls is definitely on that list.

[00:43:13] Fuck.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:14] I have it on my phone, but I would have to.

[00:43:17] Yeah.

[00:43:18] Dindle around with, I'm recording on the phone right now for this podcast.

[00:43:22] Yeah.

[00:43:22] Yeah.

[00:43:24] Awesome.

[00:43:25] So what, what was the best part, Ron, um, of your Los Angeles experience?

[00:43:31] What was the best part for you?

[00:43:32] Like, oh man.

[00:43:35] Um, was it spinning a shit ton of money?

[00:43:41] Yeah, that was, it's funny.

[00:43:45] You walk into that place and you just walk right by the merch booth and you see all these

[00:43:50] insanely awesome t-shirts and it's like, I want every fucking one of those.

[00:43:55] Yeah.

[00:43:55] Um, the posters are fucking awesome.

[00:43:59] Um, they had, they had date day specific posters.

[00:44:03] Of course.

[00:44:04] Um, the merch was incredible, but I mean the best, you know, being that close up and just

[00:44:15] watching them take the stage for the last time, you know, they always come out to, um, the

[00:44:21] time warp, Rocky Hart picture show.

[00:44:24] Yeah.

[00:44:25] Um, so yeah, just being like right against the stage for them doing that for the last time

[00:44:31] was fucking wild.

[00:44:35] Um, because like you, like, you know, I, I, I got into no effects and probably 94 ish.

[00:44:42] My first, my intro to no effects was white trash to heaves in a bean.

[00:44:45] I love that album.

[00:44:47] It's, it's, it's the most important no effects album to me.

[00:44:53] I always say that ribbed is my favorite and it probably is still.

[00:44:58] Um, but white trash to heaves in a bean was my intro to no effects and like stick it in

[00:45:03] my eye.

[00:45:04] She's gone.

[00:45:05] Like Liza and Louise is probably my favorite no effects song of all time.

[00:45:10] Yeah.

[00:45:10] Um, you know, those, yeah, that album is just, uh, and they played, they played sticking

[00:45:19] in my eye.

[00:45:20] They played, she's gone.

[00:45:22] They played, uh, Bob, they play, you know, they, they, they played a lot of that shit.

[00:45:29] Um, but they also like fat Mike wrote a song just for that last night that they've never

[00:45:34] played before though.

[00:45:35] Obviously never play again.

[00:45:36] It's not going to be recorded.

[00:45:37] They wrote it for the crowd and it was really cool.

[00:45:40] So that was a question I was going to ask you.

[00:45:43] Yeah.

[00:45:43] So they're, they're not recording it.

[00:45:45] No, they, it, they was, it was for that, for that show was only for Sunday night.

[00:45:50] Uh, fat Mike wrote it for us.

[00:45:52] The people who were there on Sunday night, you could watch it on YouTube.

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:56] I saw it.

[00:45:57] Yeah.

[00:45:57] It's a good song.

[00:45:59] Um, somebody, somebody would end up ripping that audio and putting, putting it online

[00:46:02] somewhere.

[00:46:03] I bet.

[00:46:03] Okay.

[00:46:04] Yeah.

[00:46:04] I'm sure.

[00:46:04] Yeah.

[00:46:05] I'm sure.

[00:46:05] Yeah.

[00:46:06] And it's funny.

[00:46:10] Touching intro for the song.

[00:46:12] And then L heff is like, what are we playing?

[00:46:15] And Mike's like, really?

[00:46:17] It's like the song that I just fucking taught you in the trailer that you fucking didn't

[00:46:20] remember how to play back there.

[00:46:22] Like it was, it was really, it was, it was, I just started laughing my ass off because

[00:46:26] they're just so funny together.

[00:46:27] But like, yeah, it was, it was cool.

[00:46:30] And then they played like the first two songs they ever wrote together.

[00:46:32] One song called no effects and the other song and attack.

[00:46:37] Um, you know, it was just, uh, it was cool.

[00:46:42] And there's so many people on stage.

[00:46:44] Um, everybody from any punk band, you know, I mean like fucking, uh, what's his name?

[00:46:53] Uh, Tim Armstrong was there.

[00:46:55] Brett Gerwitz was there.

[00:46:57] Uh, the dude from offspring was there.

[00:46:59] Fucking, uh, Mike Herrera was there.

[00:47:02] In fact, Mike Herrera was the one blocking my view when I was on the side stage trying

[00:47:06] to watch the flag wagon.

[00:47:09] Um, fucking, uh, what's his nuts from the misfits was there.

[00:47:13] Um, Jerry only.

[00:47:15] Jerry only.

[00:47:16] Yeah.

[00:47:17] Yeah.

[00:47:19] Yeah.

[00:47:19] And, uh, and it's funny cause they, I guess on,

[00:47:22] I was at Saturday night or Sunday night.

[00:47:24] It was Sunday night.

[00:47:25] They were like, Oh, Saturday night.

[00:47:28] He was like, you know, no effects is all about inclusivity.

[00:47:31] He's like, look at all these fucking kids on stage.

[00:47:33] Cause everybody had their kids.

[00:47:34] And fat Mike's like, it's weird.

[00:47:37] There's all these fucking kids over here.

[00:47:39] And then he's like, and he, and fat Mike's like,

[00:47:41] I don't know if you guys like the Joker movies,

[00:47:42] but we have a little person here too.

[00:47:44] And it was the dude from the Joker.

[00:47:46] I don't know if you saw the Joker, uh,

[00:47:49] fully a do.

[00:47:50] Yeah.

[00:47:51] Well, no, the first one,

[00:47:52] the first one.

[00:47:53] Yeah.

[00:47:54] Yeah.

[00:47:54] You know, the little person in that movie that he's,

[00:47:57] that he's friends with, uh, he was there.

[00:47:59] He, and he's, and that dude's all tatted up.

[00:48:01] I guess they, they hide it in the movie though,

[00:48:03] but he walks out and he's like, yeah.

[00:48:05] You know, it was,

[00:48:05] and he was like right up front on Saturday and Sunday.

[00:48:09] Wow.

[00:48:10] Um, fat Mike's daughter and wife,

[00:48:11] ex-wife Aaron were there.

[00:48:12] Of course, um,

[00:48:15] Saturday when they were playing,

[00:48:17] uh,

[00:48:18] fat Mike's daughter came running up to him at one point

[00:48:21] and asked if he could play the,

[00:48:23] um,

[00:48:24] the fuck is it?

[00:48:25] The,

[00:48:26] they have,

[00:48:27] he has the,

[00:48:28] uh,

[00:48:29] what's his name?

[00:48:30] Uh,

[00:48:31] God damn it.

[00:48:31] Stickers on my base.

[00:48:32] I can't see it from here.

[00:48:34] Um,

[00:48:35] Tony Sly song,

[00:48:36] the Tony Sly song.

[00:48:37] Tony Sly's wife and kids were there too.

[00:48:41] So they played that song.

[00:48:42] That was a tearjerker.

[00:48:43] Um,

[00:48:45] yeah,

[00:48:45] but it was just great.

[00:48:46] It was,

[00:48:47] you know,

[00:48:47] it was every,

[00:48:50] you know,

[00:48:51] I couldn't have asked for anything,

[00:48:53] a better send off to be there watching them do it.

[00:48:55] You know?

[00:48:56] Yeah.

[00:48:56] Um,

[00:48:56] yeah,

[00:48:57] it was,

[00:48:57] it was great.

[00:48:58] It was on the last,

[00:48:59] on the last day on Sunday.

[00:49:02] Yeah.

[00:49:02] Did they play Laurie Myers?

[00:49:05] Uh,

[00:49:05] no,

[00:49:06] they didn't play.

[00:49:07] So I didn't see Laurie Myers.

[00:49:08] So they must've played that on Friday.

[00:49:10] Yeah.

[00:49:10] I also didn't see lies in Louise.

[00:49:12] They must've played that on Friday as well.

[00:49:14] Um,

[00:49:15] yeah.

[00:49:15] I wonder,

[00:49:16] I assume that girl,

[00:49:17] the keyboard player,

[00:49:18] she's probably the one Katrina.

[00:49:20] Yeah.

[00:49:20] Recently.

[00:49:21] She's the one that does the Lori,

[00:49:22] the Kim Shattuck,

[00:49:23] Laurie Myers part.

[00:49:24] Right,

[00:49:25] right,

[00:49:25] right.

[00:49:25] But like,

[00:49:26] you know,

[00:49:26] I mean,

[00:49:26] during that last song on Sunday,

[00:49:28] I saw,

[00:49:29] you know,

[00:49:30] uh,

[00:49:30] Polly Van Damme from the bomb pops or,

[00:49:33] you know,

[00:49:37] stage and Stacy D from Bob from bad cop was on stage.

[00:49:39] Yeah.

[00:49:40] And I saw,

[00:49:40] um,

[00:49:41] Polly made a really cool post where she was like,

[00:49:44] during that whole,

[00:49:45] like that,

[00:49:46] that last song when the state,

[00:49:47] like you're talking about,

[00:49:48] the stage was full of like celebrity punks.

[00:49:50] Yeah.

[00:49:51] There were only two women on that stage that weren't in bands.

[00:49:54] Like there were women on stage,

[00:49:55] but the only two women from bands on stage were Polly and Stacy D.

[00:50:00] Yeah.

[00:50:01] So I thought that,

[00:50:02] I guess she,

[00:50:03] she made a really like poignant post about how it was crazy for her growing up,

[00:50:08] you know,

[00:50:08] right.

[00:50:09] Being a big fan of no effects and being on that stage for that last performance.

[00:50:15] And how did that,

[00:50:16] this ever happened to my life kind of thing.

[00:50:19] It's wild.

[00:50:20] Yeah.

[00:50:20] Crazy.

[00:50:21] So what do you guys think?

[00:50:24] I'm sorry.

[00:50:25] I'm asking questions on your own podcast,

[00:50:27] but there's a couple of things that like,

[00:50:29] are like I'm inquisitive about.

[00:50:32] Yeah.

[00:50:32] Do you guys think that they'll do punk and drub like moving forward without no

[00:50:37] effects?

[00:50:37] Cause it makes a lot of money.

[00:50:40] Who knows?

[00:50:40] Probably.

[00:50:41] Who knows?

[00:50:42] Depends on who runs it.

[00:50:43] I guess.

[00:50:45] I get,

[00:50:45] yeah,

[00:50:46] I guess it's,

[00:50:46] I guess it's not a no effects specific.

[00:50:49] Yeah.

[00:50:51] And I don't know,

[00:50:52] but I also heard warped horse coming back next year.

[00:50:54] Yep.

[00:50:54] Yeah.

[00:50:54] Warped horse coming back,

[00:50:56] which is fucking crazy.

[00:50:57] Weird.

[00:50:58] There was only like one year off then.

[00:50:59] Right.

[00:50:59] Or two years.

[00:51:00] Like if that,

[00:51:01] no,

[00:51:02] no,

[00:51:02] no,

[00:51:02] no.

[00:51:03] They've been gone for a little while.

[00:51:05] Yeah.

[00:51:05] Like 2014.

[00:51:07] Yeah.

[00:51:09] Really?

[00:51:09] 2014 was the last warped horse?

[00:51:11] Pretty sure.

[00:51:12] Yeah.

[00:51:13] Huh?

[00:51:14] I thought it was way more recent than that.

[00:51:16] And,

[00:51:17] and Ron,

[00:51:17] the,

[00:51:17] the,

[00:51:18] the chick that's been playing with no effects,

[00:51:20] like the keyboards and singing the chick parts.

[00:51:23] Yeah.

[00:51:23] It's,

[00:51:24] it's,

[00:51:24] it's Karina Danica.

[00:51:25] Karina,

[00:51:25] not Katrina.

[00:51:26] Yeah.

[00:51:26] Yeah.

[00:51:27] She used to be one of the,

[00:51:28] yeah.

[00:51:29] The two singers from dance hall crash.

[00:51:30] She also has their own stuff.

[00:51:32] She has a full length album called under glass.

[00:51:34] That is like one of the greatest fucking album of all time.

[00:51:38] Oh,

[00:51:38] wow.

[00:51:39] I have it on vinyl.

[00:51:40] It's fucking amazing.

[00:51:41] It's so good.

[00:51:42] So when,

[00:51:42] when,

[00:51:43] when I went to the Columbus,

[00:51:45] Ohio show last year,

[00:51:46] I had side stage VIP passes and I was right up against the front.

[00:51:52] And those passes were so awesome that I actually got a picture with Katrina,

[00:51:57] with Corinna.

[00:51:58] Sorry.

[00:51:58] I keep saying Katrina with Corinna during one of their songs.

[00:52:01] So he actually came up and took a picture with me.

[00:52:05] And it was,

[00:52:05] I think I remember you telling me that.

[00:52:07] Yeah.

[00:52:08] Yeah.

[00:52:09] Yeah.

[00:52:09] Yeah.

[00:52:09] And she sings a lot of their reggae ska stuff.

[00:52:12] She'll sing.

[00:52:13] Yeah.

[00:52:14] Yeah.

[00:52:15] It's wild.

[00:52:16] Like I just,

[00:52:17] I have so many unanswered questions,

[00:52:18] like the whole,

[00:52:19] what's going to happen with fat.

[00:52:21] What'll happen in balls to the ground.

[00:52:22] Will punk and drop drop.

[00:52:23] Let continue to be a thing.

[00:52:25] Yeah.

[00:52:26] I mean,

[00:52:27] another thing,

[00:52:28] like here's something that people haven't been talking about recently,

[00:52:30] but it was,

[00:52:31] it was spoken a lot about.

[00:52:33] It might've even brought,

[00:52:34] been brought up on your podcast with Mike.

[00:52:37] There was talk that this was,

[00:52:39] this wasn't them retiring or break.

[00:52:42] They were just no longer going to tour.

[00:52:44] That was said in multiple different interviews,

[00:52:46] members of the band said,

[00:52:48] we're still going to release records.

[00:52:49] We're going to be,

[00:52:50] we're going to be the punk rock.

[00:52:51] I mean,

[00:52:52] smelly said in an interview,

[00:52:53] we're going to be the punk rock Beatles.

[00:52:54] We'll keep releasing albums.

[00:52:56] We're just not going to tour.

[00:52:58] But then they released this big,

[00:53:00] you know,

[00:53:01] article a couple of days ago.

[00:53:03] I don't know if it was USA today or whatever,

[00:53:04] the big news outlet that released their article that like the tagline of the

[00:53:08] article was,

[00:53:09] they're not breaking up.

[00:53:10] They're retiring and it's probably for the best.

[00:53:12] And that was like the,

[00:53:13] the teaser for you to read the article.

[00:53:15] I didn't read the article.

[00:53:16] Cause I just didn't have a chance.

[00:53:18] Cause I was driving when I saw the post,

[00:53:20] but it makes me think like,

[00:53:22] what happened to them still doing recordings?

[00:53:25] Like is that's from what it seems like now they're done.

[00:53:29] They're not going to do that.

[00:53:31] So if he sold fat,

[00:53:33] why would he do it?

[00:53:35] Cause it's not,

[00:53:35] it's yeah,

[00:53:38] I don't,

[00:53:38] I mean,

[00:53:39] he,

[00:53:39] he told Matt and I,

[00:53:41] he told,

[00:53:41] he like,

[00:53:42] he had a dramatic pause and then he told Matt and I,

[00:53:46] he's like,

[00:53:47] and cause this was last year.

[00:53:48] He said next October when we play in LA,

[00:53:52] that will be the last time that I ever play with those guys.

[00:53:56] And he's like,

[00:53:56] I don't lie.

[00:53:57] I don't,

[00:53:58] I don't talk shit.

[00:53:58] He's like,

[00:53:59] I'm telling you right now,

[00:54:00] that will be the last time that I ever played with those guys.

[00:54:03] And I have to,

[00:54:05] yeah,

[00:54:05] I have to take him for his word.

[00:54:07] And that's why I don't think people keep saying,

[00:54:10] Oh,

[00:54:10] they're going to be back in two years.

[00:54:12] I don't think so.

[00:54:13] Yeah.

[00:54:14] Well,

[00:54:14] you also have to,

[00:54:15] it's like,

[00:54:16] what,

[00:54:18] what a fucking ultimate troll move.

[00:54:20] People just keep saying,

[00:54:22] Oh,

[00:54:23] they'll come back whenever they need money,

[00:54:25] blah,

[00:54:25] blah,

[00:54:25] blah,

[00:54:25] blah,

[00:54:25] blah.

[00:54:26] And then during the,

[00:54:27] you were there,

[00:54:27] you saw it,

[00:54:28] that fucking reunion tour,

[00:54:31] 20,

[00:54:31] 28 shirt.

[00:54:32] They put out.

[00:54:33] Totally.

[00:54:33] Yeah.

[00:54:34] Talk about being the ultimate troll.

[00:54:37] Dude.

[00:54:37] Did you see,

[00:54:38] obviously you probably saw it in person.

[00:54:40] I just saw pictures.

[00:54:40] The front of the shirt was great.

[00:54:43] Cause it's them looking all old and geriatric and it says,

[00:54:45] reunion wheelchair.

[00:54:47] Yeah.

[00:54:47] But the back of it,

[00:54:49] did you see what the back of the shirt was?

[00:54:50] No.

[00:54:51] It's it's,

[00:54:52] you can find it online.

[00:54:54] Somebody took a picture and posted it.

[00:54:56] It's,

[00:54:57] it's a made up tour routing.

[00:54:58] Uh,

[00:54:59] it's like 200 some odd dates,

[00:55:03] but it lists all these cities and it's actually kind of fucking cool.

[00:55:06] It lists Knoxville,

[00:55:08] this Asheville,

[00:55:08] North Carolina,

[00:55:09] it lists like it lists little cities that they haven't played a lot.

[00:55:13] They have played Knoxville before.

[00:55:14] I'm sure they've played Asheville.

[00:55:15] Yeah.

[00:55:16] But like,

[00:55:16] if you look on this routing,

[00:55:17] it was like,

[00:55:18] you know,

[00:55:19] Topeka,

[00:55:19] Kansas and like Lexington,

[00:55:22] like,

[00:55:22] um,

[00:55:23] my,

[00:55:23] my friend Josh from the raging Nathans,

[00:55:25] he was like,

[00:55:26] it's so cool.

[00:55:26] They,

[00:55:26] they listed Dayton on there though.

[00:55:28] He's like,

[00:55:28] no effects in there.

[00:55:29] Fucking play Dayton.

[00:55:30] Yeah.

[00:55:30] Yeah.

[00:55:32] But obviously it's just a big joke.

[00:55:34] Right.

[00:55:34] Right.

[00:55:34] Totally.

[00:55:35] Excuse me.

[00:55:36] But like,

[00:55:37] it was so cool.

[00:55:37] I was like,

[00:55:38] Oh,

[00:55:38] that shirt says Knoxville.

[00:55:39] Oh,

[00:55:39] it says Asheville.

[00:55:40] That's fucking cool.

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:44] Yeah.

[00:55:45] Yeah.

[00:55:45] It's,

[00:55:46] uh,

[00:55:47] I mean,

[00:55:50] that's a long time to be a band.

[00:55:52] It is.

[00:55:54] It is.

[00:55:55] And it's,

[00:55:55] it's funny to go back and see some of their videos,

[00:55:58] even from,

[00:55:59] from like,

[00:56:00] you know,

[00:56:01] from the mid nineties,

[00:56:02] like when they were touring or the early nineties,

[00:56:05] when they were touring with white trash,

[00:56:06] white trash,

[00:56:07] cheese and a bean,

[00:56:08] they look like babies.

[00:56:09] Yeah.

[00:56:10] Yeah.

[00:56:10] When they're playing,

[00:56:11] when they're playing those amazing fucking songs from that record,

[00:56:15] they're like babies.

[00:56:17] And it's like,

[00:56:17] fuck you for being that young and writing that many awesome fucking songs.

[00:56:22] It's like,

[00:56:23] it's crazy.

[00:56:23] They're playing like,

[00:56:24] she's gone.

[00:56:26] And sticking in my eye to like 20 people in a VFW.

[00:56:29] And fat Michael,

[00:56:30] he's 14.

[00:56:31] Yeah.

[00:56:31] Jesus Christ.

[00:56:32] You wrote that then?

[00:56:33] Like,

[00:56:33] that's crazy.

[00:56:34] It's crazy to think those dudes,

[00:56:36] those dudes are still in their fifties.

[00:56:38] Like none of them are six.

[00:56:39] None of them.

[00:56:40] A single one of those dudes is 60 years old yet.

[00:56:42] They've been a band for 41 years.

[00:56:44] Yeah.

[00:56:45] They started when they were fucking teenagers.

[00:56:47] Yeah.

[00:56:48] Yeah.

[00:56:48] I think,

[00:56:48] I think Mike,

[00:56:49] I think Mike turned 60 next year.

[00:56:51] I believe he was born in 1965.

[00:56:53] Yeah.

[00:56:53] I think he's close.

[00:56:54] Yeah.

[00:56:55] Like I told forest the other day,

[00:56:56] a couple of weeks ago,

[00:56:57] we were just talking shit about this.

[00:56:58] Like just,

[00:56:59] just waxing existential.

[00:57:01] And I said like reckless stress started.

[00:57:06] I'm the only original member of that band,

[00:57:08] but it started in 2018.

[00:57:10] I was 38.

[00:57:12] So if we lasted for 41 years,

[00:57:15] I would be 79 years old.

[00:57:18] And I was like,

[00:57:18] that's not going to fucking happen.

[00:57:21] I'm not,

[00:57:21] I'm not going to be alive then.

[00:57:25] But it's so good.

[00:57:26] It's like,

[00:57:28] it's,

[00:57:28] it's crazy,

[00:57:29] man.

[00:57:29] Like,

[00:57:29] but you know,

[00:57:31] people think it can't be done.

[00:57:33] Like bad religion have been around longer than no effects.

[00:57:35] Those dudes are older than no effects.

[00:57:37] And I,

[00:57:38] I bet I said this again to my,

[00:57:41] to my band members.

[00:57:42] When we were driving to a show recently,

[00:57:43] I said,

[00:57:44] when do you guys think bad religion will break up?

[00:57:46] And we all agree.

[00:57:47] We don't think they'll break up for another 10 years.

[00:57:50] I heard they're doing it next year or the year.

[00:57:52] Yeah.

[00:57:54] I heard the reason that they haven't played any of the no effects shows is

[00:57:58] because they're about to do the same thing in the next year or two.

[00:58:01] Wow.

[00:58:02] A two year,

[00:58:03] like a two year final.

[00:58:04] We're out of here.

[00:58:06] That's what,

[00:58:06] that's what I've heard.

[00:58:07] I forget where I heard that from.

[00:58:10] It might've been,

[00:58:12] it wasn't fat Mike,

[00:58:13] but it might've been one of our bigger guests that I don't remember,

[00:58:19] but I heard that like,

[00:58:21] cause,

[00:58:21] cause bad religion hasn't played any,

[00:58:23] they didn't play any of the no effects shows.

[00:58:26] Yeah.

[00:58:26] I mean,

[00:58:27] that would only make sense.

[00:58:28] Yeah.

[00:58:29] But,

[00:58:29] but I heard that like,

[00:58:31] after no effects is done,

[00:58:32] they're about to do the same thing.

[00:58:33] That's what I heard.

[00:58:34] So.

[00:58:36] So are you guys pretty to,

[00:58:39] do you have any,

[00:58:40] any clue what happened with this,

[00:58:42] this recent Babylon?

[00:58:43] So like me and Forrest and like my wife and I were going separately and

[00:58:48] Forrest and his wife were going separately.

[00:58:49] We had tickets to see him in Atlanta or Nashville.

[00:58:52] Yeah.

[00:58:53] Nashville.

[00:58:53] We had tickets to see bad religion in Nashville and that whole tour got

[00:58:57] canceled.

[00:58:57] They made a post saying that somebody,

[00:58:59] it was like health family.

[00:59:01] Yeah.

[00:59:01] Family.

[00:59:02] I don't know.

[00:59:03] I have no idea.

[00:59:04] They were going to come to DC or like they were going to come to Matt.

[00:59:08] What is that?

[00:59:09] The,

[00:59:09] the new,

[00:59:10] not DC,

[00:59:11] but Maryland,

[00:59:12] right.

[00:59:12] national.

[00:59:14] national Harbor at the casino.

[00:59:16] Yeah.

[00:59:16] Yeah.

[00:59:17] I don't know what it's called,

[00:59:18] but yeah,

[00:59:18] I know what you're talking about.

[00:59:19] But,

[00:59:20] um,

[00:59:21] yeah,

[00:59:21] that was wild,

[00:59:22] but I,

[00:59:22] yeah,

[00:59:22] I don't,

[00:59:22] I don't know which member that,

[00:59:25] you know,

[00:59:25] was affected by that or what it was exactly.

[00:59:28] But,

[00:59:29] um,

[00:59:31] vague booking like that always fucks with me.

[00:59:33] Cause like,

[00:59:33] I'm not like super conspiracy theorist guy,

[00:59:36] but it immediately,

[00:59:37] like a,

[00:59:38] a lot of tours were being canceled for poor ticket sales.

[00:59:42] Yeah.

[00:59:42] And the,

[00:59:43] the,

[00:59:43] the,

[00:59:43] the,

[00:59:43] it immediately made me think like,

[00:59:45] eh,

[00:59:45] was this,

[00:59:46] was,

[00:59:47] was this really a health thing or did they just say these tickets are not

[00:59:50] selling and we're going to lose our ass to fuck it.

[00:59:53] But why wouldn't they just be honest?

[00:59:54] Like I had tickets to go see helmet here in Knoxville at a club called the

[00:59:58] mill and mod.

[00:59:59] Yeah.

[01:00:00] And they had only,

[01:00:01] it's a 1200 or like a 1600 cap space.

[01:00:04] And they made an announcement helmet dropped the whole tour.

[01:00:07] They canceled the whole tour.

[01:00:08] And the mill and mom were like,

[01:00:10] well,

[01:00:10] they'd only pre-sold 212 tickets.

[01:00:12] I was like,

[01:00:13] that band's been,

[01:00:14] they helmet's a big band.

[01:00:16] I mean,

[01:00:16] they're not a huge band,

[01:00:18] but they've got hits.

[01:00:18] They've been around since the nineties.

[01:00:20] I bought my ticket.

[01:00:21] The day they went on sale,

[01:00:22] it was like helmet going on sale this Thursday.

[01:00:24] And I bought my tickets that very,

[01:00:26] and they were like 22 bucks.

[01:00:27] Yeah.

[01:00:28] But we're listening to helmet on the way to Asheville today.

[01:00:32] Dude,

[01:00:33] such a fucking underrated band.

[01:00:34] So yeah,

[01:00:35] I've never seen them live.

[01:00:37] And that,

[01:00:37] that tour got that same week,

[01:00:39] that helmet tour,

[01:00:40] the,

[01:00:41] and the bad religion tour both got canceled that same week.

[01:00:43] And the same day,

[01:00:45] my tickets were refunded to my card.

[01:00:47] Oh,

[01:00:47] wow.

[01:00:48] I was like,

[01:00:49] well,

[01:00:49] I had a little financial upswing today for my,

[01:00:53] uh,

[01:00:53] yeah.

[01:00:54] Yeah.

[01:00:55] Thankfully I've seen bad religion a bunch,

[01:00:57] but forest,

[01:00:57] uh,

[01:00:58] forest has never seen them.

[01:01:00] And I was like,

[01:01:00] God,

[01:01:01] I was,

[01:01:01] as soon as he got canceled,

[01:01:02] I was like,

[01:01:02] Oh,

[01:01:02] I bet he's crushed.

[01:01:03] Cause he's never seen him.

[01:01:05] He's a,

[01:01:05] he's a big bad religion fan.

[01:01:07] I've seen them a lot.

[01:01:08] I've seen them.

[01:01:09] Yeah.

[01:01:09] Me too.

[01:01:10] A good handful of times.

[01:01:11] Yeah.

[01:01:11] Yeah.

[01:01:12] But yeah.

[01:01:13] Yeah.

[01:01:13] Bad religion is one of those bands that I don't know how,

[01:01:17] but I've seen them since,

[01:01:19] since like 98.

[01:01:20] I think I've seen like 11 times.

[01:01:22] Yeah.

[01:01:22] They're just one of those bands that I've,

[01:01:24] have,

[01:01:24] cause a lot of times you want to see like,

[01:01:26] you want to see a band,

[01:01:28] but just shit happens.

[01:01:29] Right.

[01:01:29] They're one of those bands that has come around a lot.

[01:01:32] And it's like,

[01:01:32] it's just happened to be on weekends where I can pull it off.

[01:01:35] Yeah.

[01:01:36] Cause like,

[01:01:36] like I said,

[01:01:37] there are these,

[01:01:38] these shows that we want to see,

[01:01:40] that I want to see,

[01:01:40] like basically anything you guys get in your DC Baltimore market,

[01:01:46] that shit comes to Nashville.

[01:01:48] But like,

[01:01:49] I can't just go drop everything on a Wednesday night to drive in Nashville in a

[01:01:53] different time zone,

[01:01:54] three hours and be back to be home the next day at work at 6.

[01:01:58] AM.

[01:01:58] Right.

[01:01:59] Yep.

[01:02:00] So like there are,

[01:02:01] I mean,

[01:02:01] fucking sloppy seconds played Nashville two days ago.

[01:02:03] And I wanted to go to that,

[01:02:04] but I'm like,

[01:02:05] I'm not going to go to Nashville on Sunday.

[01:02:07] It'd be at work.

[01:02:07] I don't get over to 4.

[01:02:08] AM.

[01:02:09] I'm going to be at work at six.

[01:02:10] Fuck it.

[01:02:10] No way.

[01:02:11] Fuck that.

[01:02:11] Yeah.

[01:02:11] It's hard enough to drive an hour to DC from here to do our shows and try to

[01:02:17] be at work the next day,

[01:02:19] which I will,

[01:02:19] I never do.

[01:02:20] So yeah.

[01:02:21] Does that Blitzkid show sell out?

[01:02:23] I don't know if it's,

[01:02:25] if not,

[01:02:25] is there's like two or three tickets left?

[01:02:27] I mean,

[01:02:27] it was,

[01:02:28] I think there was eight tickets left a week ago.

[01:02:33] I have to fucking go to work right after that show,

[01:02:35] by the way.

[01:02:35] Oh,

[01:02:36] damn.

[01:02:37] I took off that day,

[01:02:39] but I'm,

[01:02:40] I'm filling in it for the ops chief that night and nobody else can do it.

[01:02:43] And they were like,

[01:02:45] any chance you could just come into work after that show.

[01:02:47] I was like,

[01:02:48] you motherfuckers.

[01:02:49] I was like,

[01:02:50] God damn it.

[01:02:50] Fine.

[01:02:51] That sucks.

[01:02:52] So yeah.

[01:02:53] No,

[01:02:53] no party,

[01:02:54] no partying on Halloween.

[01:02:55] No,

[01:02:55] there will,

[01:02:55] there will no be,

[01:02:56] there'll be no drinking.

[01:02:58] I was like,

[01:02:58] yeah,

[01:02:58] you know,

[01:02:58] I should just show up fucking wasted.

[01:03:00] Like you motherfuckers want to be here.

[01:03:01] Here I am.

[01:03:03] Just walk in like fucking half empty bag of your favorite Halloween candy.

[01:03:09] Like,

[01:03:10] I didn't want to be here.

[01:03:11] Happy fucking Halloween.

[01:03:14] You're going to deal with it or I'm going home.

[01:03:17] Bring them tidings of Palmer's chocolate,

[01:03:19] Ron.

[01:03:19] Ooh,

[01:03:20] yes.

[01:03:21] I have plenty of that to go around.

[01:03:24] Oh man.

[01:03:25] But,

[01:03:26] uh,

[01:03:26] speaking of having to be at work after doing things,

[01:03:29] I,

[01:03:29] I got to be up at like five.

[01:03:31] Yeah.

[01:03:31] We gotta,

[01:03:31] we gotta cut this.

[01:03:32] So yeah.

[01:03:34] Yeah.

[01:03:35] Yeah.

[01:03:35] I don't even know what time it is.

[01:03:36] I've got to be up in like,

[01:03:37] it's 1230.

[01:03:38] I'm going to be at 5am.

[01:03:39] Jesus Christ.

[01:03:40] Yeah.

[01:03:41] Yeah.

[01:03:42] So.

[01:03:43] I don't work until tomorrow night,

[01:03:45] but I'm,

[01:03:45] uh,

[01:03:45] I have to pee really bad.

[01:03:46] So you guys have to sleep.

[01:03:47] I have to pee.

[01:03:48] So let's cut.

[01:03:50] Yeah.

[01:03:51] All right.

[01:03:51] Thanks for doing this with me.

[01:03:53] Yeah.

[01:03:53] I'll put all the links and shit,

[01:03:55] uh,

[01:03:56] for the record on the,

[01:03:58] on the podcast.

[01:03:59] And we'll,

[01:03:59] we'll,

[01:03:59] uh,

[01:04:00] yeah,

[01:04:00] this will be out Sunday.

[01:04:01] So.

[01:04:02] Ooh.

[01:04:03] Love you dudes.

[01:04:04] All right,

[01:04:04] man.

[01:04:05] You too,

[01:04:06] Mike.

[01:04:06] thanks so much for doing this.

[01:04:07] Hey,

[01:04:08] thank you all.

[01:04:08] We'll talk to you soon.

[01:04:09] Fuck yeah.

[01:04:10] Yeah.

[01:04:10] All right.

[01:04:11] Later,

[01:04:12] guys.

[01:04:12] Later.

[01:04:12] Later,

[01:04:13] brother.

[01:04:16] How do I do this shit?

[01:04:17] I can still hear you.

[01:04:19] Uh,

[01:04:20] so what,

[01:04:20] what do I have to press?

[01:04:22] Close.