Tom, The Ambulance Review

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Well they needed a jingle for their stupid little shirts

[00:00:03] So they called up the Jasons and we said,

[00:00:05] What? No!

[00:00:05] Then they called us again and they gave us 20 bucks

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And we wrote them a song that said,

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You're podcasting!

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they gave us more money and they asked us really nice

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And we finally gave in and we said,

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, I'll write you a song but it's gonna be a clone

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Of a screeching weasel song that we heard a while ago

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_08]: So we wrote them a jingle and it sounded really rad

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_08]: It was the best little jingle that the pockets ever had

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_08]: But the file got corrupted and the email didn't work

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And now they're stuck without a jingle singing,

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Our Brains Hurt

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Our Brains Hurt

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: In a very non-copyright infringing sort of way

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Tonight we're talking to Tom of The Ambulance Review

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep, long time friend of mine

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_06]: All of them actually

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I met them for the first time

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Saw them play back in like 2010, 2011

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they were around before that too

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll let him in, he's been in the room waiting so

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, cool

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do it

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What's up?

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Not much

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was having a heart attack about 10 minutes ago

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, how can I figure this out?

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I'm so worried that I have a Chromebook from 2016

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And just about nothing works on it

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And the phone that I'm using is an iPhone 6

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been desperately trying to hang onto this thing for years

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Without upgrading

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I guess most cell phone companies don't do free upgrades anymore

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So I've been just trying to keep this thing alive

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it was like, oh no, I hope it works

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm glad it does

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sweet

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I still have my iPhone 1

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm keeping it just so I could bring it to Pawn Stars in 20 years

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And get like 90 bucks for it or something

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Heck yeah

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's something I like about the big button on it

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_06]: You know what's funny too?

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_06]: It sounds better than most people's phones nowadays do

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_06]: The audio quality is better

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Hell yeah

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's weird

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: You had it right at number 6, Apple

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: You are of the Ambulance Review

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Indeed

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And you have a new album coming out

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You have a show tomorrow, right?

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we have the album release show tomorrow

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know how I did this

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But when I was putting stuff through our distributors

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: For digital stuff a few weeks ago

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I somehow accidentally put today the 22nd as the release date

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was surprised when I opened my Spotify earlier

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And saw our brand new album on there today

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh shit

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So I figured I might as well send a link out to some people

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Cool

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was listening earlier, it's great

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool man, thank you

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Hell yeah

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Obviously we've known each other for a minute at this point

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_06]: But I was stoked when I started seeing you popping back up on all the things

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_06]: And talking about recording new album, filming a new video

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Playing shows again and all that stuff

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh fuck yeah

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man, the album has kind of been in limbo for seven-ish years

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And we started writing for it a long time ago

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I've just let life get in the way of stuff

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's difficult to do that when you're in your 30s and mid-30s

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And trying to navigate to other people's real life schedules and stuff like that

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But the year that we were planning on recording this

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: On my way home from Japan

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I got railed by a drunk driver that blew a .15

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Damn, 1.5?

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, .15

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: .15, that's still, Jesus, .15

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's .01% almost double the legal limit

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Holy shit

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man, so I did not win the lottery in the sense of financial stuff

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But I won the lottery of being alive

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's cool

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But that had weight on me heavily

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't know man, it kind of derailed a lot of mental stuff

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And then obviously financial stuff too

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So just life happens

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And now in my mid-30s

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: My poor sweet mama dude

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: She's in stage 6 at Dementia

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm having a really, really difficult time

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of wrapping my head around that

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And nobody ever signs up for any of this stuff man

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, enough, just tell me about it dude

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man, and I'm just pining over trying to get this out

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_04]: While she can still have a good time

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But the greatest part about her

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: What she has going on is it's not really affecting her frontal lobe

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So dude, she's always in really, really sweet spirits

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean yeah, she gets confused and kind of anxious sometimes

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's not affecting her frontal lobe

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: In the sense of she's so sweet

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you just sit with her whenever I see her

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It's heartbreaking because she hasn't called me by my name in years

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is like I'm having a frigging bear of a time with that

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But the sweetest thing man is when I do roll up

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Or go see her at a family gathering or something

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, she's all smiles

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: She's just down to have a good time

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And actually I played her the new album

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Music is one of those things that still lights people up

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So she's a big Springsteen fan

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So anytime you get a Springsteen song going on man

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: She's all about it

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And comes back to life dude

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like 30 again

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And singing, fist pumping

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We went and saw him at the

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not Verizon Center anymore or MCI

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Capital One Arena

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah we saw Springsteen play there last March

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And dude, she for like the 3.5 hours that this guy plays

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She had her hand on the railing

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Fist pumping the whole freaking time

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man, it was so, so cool

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I let these things get in the way

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Of me moving forward and wanting to do my own stuff

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So played it for her

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, she was dancing and singing along

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Not singing along but bobbing her head

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And just dancing, having a good time, just vibing

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, real cool

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah that's awesome

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_06]: That is cool

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah life man, life is a crazy whirlwind

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Of insane emotions isn't it?

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: None of us signed up for this

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's become interesting to like navigate a lot of it

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think probably the biggest thing that has helped me out with that situation in particular

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Is the four years that I got to teach music

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And work with young kids

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Who are probably the youngest student I had was maybe

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Like six or seven years old playing guitar

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And like that, just kind of hanging out with young people

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Has helped me become a much more patient person

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And definitely helped me

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: With a lot of being patient with my mama in particular

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Because when things happen it's like

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't really

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: At first little things that happen you're like upset and angry

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like why doesn't

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: She knows I don't like mayo on my sandwiches

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Why'd she ask me for one mayo?

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: What is her problem?

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it's like she can't help it

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah totally

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so it's great when other people recognize it and understand it

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And a few years ago she got to see us play at Rec Center

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: When that was still a functioning venue in Fredericksburg

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude I forget the bill that we played with that night

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a really great band from out of town

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And dude I feel like such a butt head for not remembering them

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But my mom, man she was like going around and like cleaning up after everybody

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And everybody was just so sweet to her

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It was awesome, they were like she loves doing fist bumps

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So she'll like explode on you

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: She was like when somebody wouldn't explode she'd go back for a second one to have them do it

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And everybody was so graceful to her and so sweet

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It was awesome

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So she's actually, I think her and my dad, we've guest listed them for tomorrow night

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm pretty excited that they're gonna come

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope she can stay for the whole thing

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not too overbearing for her

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But we've got her earplugs and she's Ant-Man

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll be there, I'm definitely fist pumping

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool cool cool cool

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: She'd be all about it man, pat your head on it

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah oh yeah

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not missing that opportunity

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: One of my fondest memories I have of her coming to see us

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude she like crazy supportive parents in the sense of being a teenager

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And like oh kids want to play loud rock and roll music

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: My mom, dude we played a show up at Northern Virginia

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It was one of the bigger venues we've done

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And she got there a few minutes into our set

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And like walked down the steps into the pit area

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And was like fist bumping through all of these circle pit and teenagers and 20 something

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's awesome

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah dude what a time, what a time to be alive

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Hell yeah, that's crazy

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you grow up in Fredericksburg? Are you from there originally?

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I did indeed, yeah Fredericksburg, born and raised

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Was born at the, I think the second location of the Mary Washington Hospital

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: When it was down on Fall Hill Avenue

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah it's still there just you know something else

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it Fall Hill still?

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_06]: No building is still there, it's on Fall Hill

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah yeah yeah

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just an office building now or whatever

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So is reclaimed arcade like the only place that does punk shows down there anymore?

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: No there's actually, there's like one other spot that's pretty cool called Madam's Oddities

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Our friend Kara owns the place and she's a great local artist from Fredericksburg

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So shout out Kara

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man it's a cool spot

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: She actually has been so gracious and supportive of us

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That she's let us use her venue for part of our video shoot

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That we've been doing for our song Crash Test on Me with Ross Billman

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Great song by the way, great song

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that's a bop dude

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I like that

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Sounds big

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man Ross is shooting that video for us

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: He also did the artwork for Alpacalypse Now, the full length album

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So shout out Ross too

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[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he did a good job on our artwork for that cover as well

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, dude, dude

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, we've been so lucky with like people in general

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Taking these absolute like bad shit ideas

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And making them, just making them

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, when he first kind of touched base with me

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I saw, like we've known Roth for years

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And he like on the first, like the first like big bigger tour that we booked ourselves

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The Ketchup Only Tour

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We had my uncle, my uncle Lennas in one of his work bands for the summer

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And we had these like big old like magnets on the side of them

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That were like had business, like business writing and all that

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So we like spray painted over them

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And Roth did this like mural for us with like the old Atomic Reg and a Tech Pony

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_04]: With like our band name on the side of it

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_10]: I remember this

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah man, so yeah shout out, shout out Roth

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah man, like that

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like hey, I have a

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually saw, he did like a commission piece for somebody

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Earlier in the year or late last year that was like a Celine Dion kind of thing

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And I had commented on the post and I was like dude this looks freaking rad

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, he said be in touch because I feel like I owe you something for that

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like half-assed pony I did for you guys for the tour

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't half-assed at all man, it was great

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a cool looking thing that he did for us

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And with this man, it was really really cool

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it was like one of those things where it was like

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you for real?

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it was like yeah

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And then just kind of like throwing ideas back and forth

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I've always been super into like the Dookie album artwork

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And wanted something kind of iconic like that

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But just like an homage

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And it kind of spinballed into like

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey man, well what do you think if like the album is called Alpaca Lips Now

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what if we are like in deep space

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Flying through a rainbow, like rainbow trail from us riding on this alpaca

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's like a pizza planet or like a pizza moon or something like that

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was having a ball of a time just these messages sending back and forth with him

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And dude, yeah, it probably had like a dozen or two dozen iterations of stuff

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But the final one that we landed on was awesome

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And actually I'm kind of happy that we put like a parental advisory

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Like explicit sticker on there too

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's also super fitting

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_09]: If I'm not punched in

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm fucking faded

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_09]: You can find me locked inside my room again

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_09]: So my friend can't call

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_09]: She said hey what's wrong

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_09]: Well I've been dying to fall in love

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_09]: I've been pining for the one

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_09]: She said be patient Tom

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_09]: You're overthinking hon

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_09]: She's getting here as fast as her two legs can run

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_09]: In there cause to sleep

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_09]: It's funny I don't remember any of my fucking dreams

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Hey cat something's wrong

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_09]: I'm dodging all your calls

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_09]: And I would rather waste away cause I know just what you'll say

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Just be patient Tom

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_09]: You're overthinking hon

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_09]: She's getting here as fast as her two legs can run

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_09]: She's just running late

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_09]: Hurry up and wait

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_09]: She's getting here as fast as her two legs can race

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Just be patient Tom

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_09]: You're overthinking hon

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_09]: She's getting here as fast as her two legs can run

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_09]: She's just running late

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Hurry up and wait

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_09]: She's getting here as fast as her two legs can race

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like Apocalypse now made me laugh because when I was in high school

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Which was I'm 46 this is many many years ago

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember we had I was in biology class

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_05]: My partner and I

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It was we had to dissect a rat

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And I decided to trip on acid that day at school

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I remember dropping acid

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And going into biology class and my partner and I and he was not on acid

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And we were learning different parts of the rat

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And there was a part or something in the rat called the sarcolemma

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And we had to name our rat

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And the teacher was coming around and like asking each group what the rats name was

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And everybody was just picking like whatever names like whatever

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And she came to us and before my partner could say anything

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I was I said that our rat's name is sarcolemma lips

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it was dumb as shit ever but I was tripping on acid and

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_05]: My partner was just like what I was like our rats name is sarcolemma lips

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway apocalypse apocalypse made me laugh out loud because it kind of

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Jogged to memory

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Tripping while dissecting a rat

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought you were definitely going in like a master splinter route

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no if I wasn't tripping I might have but yeah you can't

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't know where the acid's gonna take you

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That's so silly

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_05]: That day it was sarcolemma

[00:20:25] But um

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah dude what you guys have been around for a long time I realized that as I was like

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You know kind of looking into you guys

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_05]: How did you guys originally form and you know tell that story

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay so I

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_04]: When I was in high school

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I just I really I really wanted to start a band it's like my one thing

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I tried to do when I was in middle school and never really worked out

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean we had

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Let me stop you for one second how did you get into punk rock in the first place?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I'm always interested in hearing how people get into punk rock

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah okay so I had a neighbor of mine Joe Joe Wright

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Shout out Joe Wright

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: He was we grew up in the same cul-de-sac and he was two doors down from us

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: His wife Amanda Wright

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Owns a great tattoo shop

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Silverthorn tattoos in Fredericksburg shout out Amanda and Silverthorn

[00:21:21] There's a

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe is a few years older than me

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We just grown up in the same cul-de-sac like he was he was like the cool guy that

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Skateboarded he had a much cooler bicycle than we had and

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Like we just wanted to hang out with him and so we'd like bug him all the time to like hang out and

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_04]: One thing that we used to do is we'd always had a boombox that we would just play loud music

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Blair music out of and like in the cul-de-sac and we would just like ride around our bikes and skateboards

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And like I I

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Like one of the first bands that I got into myself was like Hanson and

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Like no no shame in that it's like three three kids family bands and they wrote their own music

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And he had

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Kids

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_06]: They

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Their way to the top yeah

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I think they're Grammy I think they have Grammys so they do oh they definitely do yeah my understanding to those

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Guys the ghost right for all sorts of all sorts of artists no I've heard that as well actually yeah

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow like and I wouldn't I wouldn't be I wouldn't be opposed to them sliding sliding me something you know

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_05]: That Hanson's I know you listen

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I actually saw a YouTube video of them recently playing

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Mbop at like the age they are right now

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_06]: It was it was vastly different than what it used to be it was kind of weird

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But I was like man these guys are still like going strong these these guys are

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty excellent musicians you can tell oh dude there. Yeah, they were they were fantastic

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember watching them play it like the like the Grammys or like the VMAs and like their their drummer Zack

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_04]: The youngest brother was like 11 years old like yeah

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, man

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to be a guy I was I thought it's so cool that they were like kids

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Like my age kind of about that were like doing the thing

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I mean I had that and like a John Cougar Mellencamp cassette tape the dance naked my favorite

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: My favorite track on that was wild nights man like that that bass line

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that thing slams dude, and so like I was I would play those two cassette tapes mostly and

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: My brother was like Sam was like super into Aerosmith. We had the big ones cassette tape and

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe like this is kind of like when CDs started to become like kind of affordable and

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I was the first person in our family to have a CD player. So it's kind of a big deal for us. Yeah, and

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe our neighbor

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Had a cuz

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: a CD version of

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Dookie and insomniac and those were the first two kind of like

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Punk rock things I'd ever heard at like 9 10 11 years old

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was so vastly different than like

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: then then like Hanson or

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Don Cougar Mellencamp

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Just the speed of everything alone

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: but like the the the melodic nature of like all of the songs that are on dookie and

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Then like hearing an insomniac was like everything is still written kind of in the same vein. It's just heavier

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Or it seems seems like a much heavier album than dookie was

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that is like Joe open open my ear holes to

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: To like punk rock music. Yeah, and I

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: started to kind of you know, fears fears go by and I'm in middle school at this point and

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: starting to get into things like good Charlotte just because of like their

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Geographical like oh, yeah region the regional band for us being around this

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So all doors not that far away no like that that and like some 41 like blink when a two of courses like popping

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: on the radio at that time too, and

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: so that Joe Joe got me like

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like first person to kind of like turn me on to the genre so it's like early 2000s late 90s

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this would have been late 90s

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably like this would have been like 90 97 or 98 like Nimrod had definitely been out

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but wasn't I was I was like so enthralled with like with like dookie and insomniac

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and then

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: hearing hearing like the slick production of

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Like good Charlotte and all that but of course the Tony Hawk pro skater soundtrack

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Would you know get into things like the suicide machines and like just the

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Fast even faster, but also just as poppy

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that that style stuff and I met a friend of mine named Conrad. Shout out Conrad Eden

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: He moved here from Southern California at my freshman year high school. This would have been like 2002. Yeah 2002 and

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He he slid me like he and I used to like

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Trade CDs back then he lived on the other side of the neighborhood

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So he rode a different bus

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: but every now and then he would like he would like get on to get onto my bus at the end of the

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: like at the end of the day and just ride to my my house and

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Like coming home like it was awesome

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: because my mom always used to like

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: My mom always used to have like cookies and milk and stuff for us and like fruit snacks and all that and so

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He always had a good time coming over and

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He he kind of turned me on to like dude we would just make mixed CDs for each other all the time and

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like things man like like anti-flag and

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Like

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: The outline trio like B sides and stuff like that is what he would put you would put on to that

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of thing for me an art X bandits

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So some of it was a little bit of sky influence

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But most of it was just like punk punk music

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And so those two those two I think

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Categorically were like my biggest my biggest influences of getting into like punk rock and the genre itself

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But once I started playing music Eric Klein

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_04]: He played in

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably most popularly in atomic Reagan attack locally in Fredericksburg

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But also had played in kamikaze escape plan prior to that

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Just a big skyhead big punk rock guy

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And he I can attribute to getting me into bands like Captain Everything who was just like the fastest poppiest pop

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Punk I've ever heard my whole life

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So shout out Eric Klein to you so yeah, so those three those three guys are probably the the what what got me as deep?

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Into punk rock music is as I can think of

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Tell you I love that the first time ever that Hansen or John Cougar Mellon cap has mentioned on this podcast

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Definitely the first time Hansen has ever been yeah period

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man, yeah

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So okay, so now you're in the punk rock

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So when is when do you start like what happens between then and starting the band and how does the band form?

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I'm I'm like teaching myself basically how to play songs off of dookie on my electric guitar

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_04]: but I don't know how to read tablature yet and

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: so I'm literally playing like like

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Green day songs off of dookie with like full full chords like first position chord

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Not even bar chords like first position like C's and G majors and E's and stuff like that

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And a friend of a kid that I knew in middle school was like this now you play it

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like I don't know what you're talking about. This is what I found on the internet

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I taught I ended up teaching myself how to how to read tablature

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and so

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I was

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I wanted to learn that that

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Papa Roach riff so bad

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: from last resort

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to learn that so bad

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So I was like all over the internet scouring it so I could learn that riff. They were catchy as hell that bad

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, dude that yeah

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Mikey Golis the the drummer of

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: GTI and and trash rocket man

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You know

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We still that album cover to cover it so good

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: No skips man

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so I finally I read I was teaching myself how to read tablature and so I basically I kind of learned like

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Dookie cover to cover

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And then started writing start writing my own songs with Conrad

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_04]: freshman year high school and

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: With like the goal of like wanting to play like the talent show the following year because we'd seen some other bands do it

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_04]: we're just trying to like figure out how how everybody else did stuff and

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Befriended a few people like Craig Rossiano

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Who was the keyboard player for trash rocket? He's a few years older than me

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: we went to the same high school Chancellor and

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: he

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I was wearing a Ramones t-shirt one day and he

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Came up in the hallway and was like, I think you'd I think you'd like this and it was a

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I forget who played at this concert, but it was at like the Salem Fields

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Church like community center. And so we went there was like five bucks. We just went Conrad's mom took us

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I had to like beg my mom to go and she was like, yeah, I think they'd be fine

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So we spent five bucks to get in and dude

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It was one of the coolest coolest things to see like holy shit. This happens locally

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not just it's not just something you see on TV or like on a VHS tape that you put in it's like dang man

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That's pretty cool. So show that was your first show like your first punk show

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, that probably would have been the first the first time I'd been to something and that was like

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: That was not like chaperoned by like my mom or dad or like a like a friend's parent really

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Trying to think I had probably been to like

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Like my dad I forget what year this would have been like my dad took me to go see

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like good Charlotte played

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like an NFL like opening night thing. We're like Aerosmith played and in Mary J blige and good Charlotte

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they all they all played man

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So my dad we like hopped on them hopped drove up the Springfield hopped on the metro and like went and saw this like

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: weird performance on the mall up there

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I forget what that would have that would probably been like 2003 years or so maybe

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, right kind of right around that same time period is that probably would have my first local punk show that I've been to

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know like if

[00:32:31] how

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Good Charlotte must have sold their soul to the devil. I don't know. I don't like I have no look

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they're from 20 minutes south of me

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm in Maryland too and and I remember when I was growing up in the punk scene

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_05]: They would open for like my friends bands

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And then all of a sudden they were like good Charlotte and all of a sudden the dudes marrying fucking what's her name the actress?

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like what is happening right now?

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they definitely sold their souls to the devil but

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_05]: For that

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I have I have a friend of mine who like

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Who like knew them like back back then too and who's like just like two years older than me and

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He's told me some really interesting like stories about about them and like I you know

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Wild times. I don't know

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_10]: For them, but I don't get it. Yeah

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Although I will say I will say that I wish I could have some Liberty spikes in my hair the way that Benji

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Did back then? Yeah

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_06]: You know lifestyles of the rich and famous what you gonna do? Hey, it's true

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that song and their their careers have kind of like come full circle. Maybe I don't know I don't

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I just maybe burned a bridge that I didn't have or wasn't able to cross by saying that

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I wouldn't I wouldn't mind some good Charlotte money

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't mind like I don't know them putting it over, you know bands bands don't get that kind of money anymore

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_06]: We're coming home to Cameron Diaz

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure against me was the last

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_06]: punk rock band to get that

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_06]: that that

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_06]: record deal that bands used to get in like the 90s in the early 2000s and yeah and had no like

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_06]: You know owed no money back or whatever. I think because of the way they did it

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the major music industry said alright, we're not we're not doing this with punk rock bands anymore

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: If I if I die and go to hell the first thing I'm asking

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going right up to Satan and I'm being what did you offer good Charlotte? I

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Gotta know I'll do whatever you want for eternity

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's funny cuz I was I actually I was really a big fan of I used to I used to get like Transworld

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_04]: skateboarding magazine stuff like that and they would run ads for like punk bands all the time and like the back of

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That and I saw this I saw this one ad back then this would have been like

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_04]: 2000 2001 or 2002

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Saw these like all these tattooed guys and

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like had to go get the CD. It was called destination unknown by a band called messed and

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's on Cadillac and fucked up kid on it. Yeah, and dude, I loved I loved that band back then

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I like them cuz I'm a Mets fan and they had the Mets logo, but reverse

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and they actually I got I got a big pop one day cuz I got a I got a follow on Twitter and then on

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Instagram and it's their band but they're definitely not as like

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not at the level that they used to be at for a number of reasons, but they were they were on

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Maverick records the the

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Madonna's imprint no shit. Wow and John Feldman did like all their stuff back then

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Which you know like you get like if you listen their album, yeah the production is slick it's really really slick

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I would saw them live. They were playing with slick shoes

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that that sounds about right. I think I think that's what in Baltimore

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I saw slick shoes at the sidebar and I think messed opened up for them. I think

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_05]: This is like mid 90s. Maybe yeah, I think I think that's when I saw them

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Since since you had mentioned the suicide machines earlier

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's how I found them the same way you were just talking about like you're seeing all the tattoo guys in the magazine

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I had gone I had gone to a

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: CD store, you know whatever year that album came out. I think it was like 95 or 96

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know I was in high school and I'd gone to a see this

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly looking for a specific album

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't there and I couldn't find it and I was like

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not leaving this fucking store without a record in my hand

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I was just looking through shit and I'd come across this record with this dude on the cover

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_06]: You know with with a fucking wallet chain and you know that he's like jumping up in the air and I was like

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Huh? This looks cool. And I said fuck it

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna buy this and we stuck in the car on the way home and like everybody in the car was like

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Holy shit. This is fucking rat. Yeah, right. No, dude. That's another that's another no skip for me

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_06]: No, you don't skip any song on that record. No, no

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What's your what's your favorite track on that?

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Fucking

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Islands probably okay. It's a good one. Yeah, I've always loved that song or like

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Break the glass is another one. I've always loved I loved my favorite was hey. Oh, yeah

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Like

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Heavy ass intro and then it gets light-hearted. Yeah, that is a good one

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a thousand miles per hour after that. Yep. Yeah, that's you know, that's a

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Derek

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Derek Grant. Yeah. Yeah, and he was a teenager when that came out

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I actually saw them live while he was still in the band. Yeah. Yeah, it was at the

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_04]: 1997 warp tour. Yeah, dude. Okay, so I like suicide machines were on my bucket list to go see live right and

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_04]: one of the first warped tours that I went to was 2003 and

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: That was a that was like one of the last years that I had like a really really good time at work tour and

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That year that dude bill was awesome like the first the first band I saw play at like 11 a.m

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_04]: that day was the last job and

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: That was really freaking cool

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: but we my friend Conrad went to that with me and

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: We just like our favorite band at the time was a fi

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was it would do this was this would have been like a month or two or just recently

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: No, like in the early spring. I think of that year is when sing the sorrow came out and

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: When we first when we both like I went out and got a copy of that

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Burnham copy and

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Like a few days later was

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Was spring break so I was going down to Florida with my family for the week because my sister was playing in

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the marching band for school and they had a performance at like Disney down there. So

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I burn him a copy. We both listened to it and we're both like shaking our heads like this isn't it man

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: You know after after art of drowning we're like, dude, that's my favorite if I are

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Blacksail okay

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man that one that one that that album gets so much love God call it in sick. That's my jam off of that one

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_06]: That's that's what that's the song that made me fucking buy that record. Like do you remember it? You remember blue dog downtown?

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I walked into blue dog and that song was playing and I was like

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_06]: What is the guy that used to run it Jack, you know

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I knew him because I ordered records and I was like I was like what is this?

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Is this a new a fi record? He was like, yeah just came out today and I was like, oh shit

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, black sales

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Favorite is the all-hallows EP is my favorite

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_05]: AFI

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Going albums and blacks it but yeah, I mean that era

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The other the other song on that that I just absolutely love his prayer position. Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Great fucking song but man dude

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So we like sing the sorrow had just come out and we were like a burn up burn him a copy

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_04]: We both listened to it once or twice for like this isn't it

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I had a week to listen to it like all day every day my headphones in my on my like Sony disc

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Man, yeah

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and so we get back and both of us like we meet in the hallway at school on Monday morning and both

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Were like it's the best day if I record. Oh, yeah

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_05]: For sure hands down like a little simmer man. You got a little

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That's all we did that's all we did for an entire week was just listen to sing the sorrow on that spring break and then

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So that that summer 2003

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_04]: My dad took us to the Virginia Beach Warped tour and we saw when if I was playing and figured

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: We're not gonna miss it and I the other the other bucket list band for me that day was suicide machines

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But they were playing on the opposite stage 30 minutes before them

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So we we get there and we just hand on the gate

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and on the gate and we sat there for probably like six and a half hours is baking in the Sun

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Waiting for a fi to come on and dude

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I heard I heard the intro to hey from like a hundred yards away and was just about

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: torture torture

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I know man. And so like so yeah never still have never seen the suicide machines, but would love to

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Did get to see a fi instead and oh man, that was just that was like a religious experience in itself

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I saw two side machines for the first time last year at the final no effect show in Columbus, Ohio

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_04]: They're rad. So can you can somebody explain this to me? It's like

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So like no effects obviously prolific man. I've had t-shirts and albums. Yes, right? Yeah

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Why do I feel like every show that I've seen advertised for the last like yes three years has been called their last show

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so so they're doing a they've been doing a two-year

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_05]: final tour

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so all of last year and all of this year are their last shows in those cities

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, their last show ever is October 6th in LA

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and I will be there. So yeah

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's been like because Matt we talked to Mike before that even started right?

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was like February of last year. Yep. Yeah

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_05]: So it was all of last year and then this year

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like 40s 40 years 40 cities

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay songs a night whatever that's cool. I am this is gonna sound out of left field

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_04]: In my in that same kind of

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Era when I was first me and my friend Conrad and we were trading CDs and making each other mix CDs and stuff like that

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_04]: one of the one of the ads that was in back of like trans world skateboarding was

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_04]: For 45 or 46 songs and weren't good enough to go on our other records

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And so my favorite no effects releases the b-side compilation

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I have never heard that by the way. No never heard that really. No, that's great

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that one too, man

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Fantastic. Um, oh man, dude, it's uh, I'm gonna pose right? I have a no effects tattoo on my wrist

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I've never heard that record

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: If you if you have all the other seven inches and stuff you've heard those

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Like yeah, so one of my one of my all-time favorite no effects songs is actually off of that

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_06]: one I got a

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_06]: The the song title is very long and I can never remember exactly what it is

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not gonna like say it and get it wrong. I'm gonna look it up here real quick

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it dude is it track three on disc one?

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think so. I think it's more towards like the middle of like

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_06]: No, Timmy the turtle I actually have the seven inch that was off of I got a pee that's a good one

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_06]: That is a good one

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see here

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It's in here somewhere

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Tom what's your favorite no effects album? Uh

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: war on airism

[00:44:50] Okay

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe yeah, you're the first one them to say that one actually

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_04]: No, that was kind of like the height of my no effects fandom would have been war on airism

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That and like the rock against bush comps were like huge huge for me. Yeah

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I got that got me into bands like none more black

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Like great man like

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man, fantastic the riffage and I do I just love I just love musicians with like raspy voices

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, same. Yep. What are you currently spinning right now?

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: If you were gonna get in your car and go somewhere put on some oh man

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so the biggest thing in rotation for me is heart attack man right now

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Their new album and where they from again, they're from Ohio Ohio, okay

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude. They're really really good my friend Brian Brosmer. He did the he did he did the album or he did the

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: The poster artwork for our release show tomorrow

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_04]: He's I've known him since middle school. He's also a fellow punk rock guy

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: He played in played a really cool band called radio contra back then in high school

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And kind of like a heavier more aggressive group called watch yourself die

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: We used to just like listen blink 22 and green

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Man so he he ended up

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Doing this like super super killer artwork for us

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry. I kind of spaced out there for a second. No bring me

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I was asking what you're spinning

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. Yeah, so, okay, so

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_04]: 2019 I get a

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Twitter message from my friend Ryan and

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, hey man, if this band isn't on your radar you need to you need to check them out

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and I

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_04]: This the album is called fake blood

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They came out in 2019

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And dude, it's it's incredible

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really really well written. It was their sophomore album or their sophomore release

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Really really good music

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of just like weird tunings and kind of like more mid tempo songs. They got a couple

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Diddies with like some get up and go

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude they have a their new album that came out last year

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so like it's a it's like a pop punk album and it's it's really really great and my favorite song on there

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_04]: right now is

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Is called stick up and it's it's like by no means like a it's a pop song

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It don't the way that the way that I read it kind of in an interview was that it was like

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of he wanted their their songwriter Eric wanted to write a song that was kind of like

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_04]: inspired by like MIA

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That paper plane song and so like it's got this silly hook

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_04]: but they write a lot of a lot of stuff about just like

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And like stuff that I'm not into but like

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Like just a really really interesting like way of songwriting and the hook for this song is so silly man. It's like

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody get down and no one gets hurt everybody get down. I got a gun inside my sweatshirt

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_04]: There they're a bucket list band for me to see live I want to see them so bad

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But they they they together write some really really incredible songs. I'm just a big fan of

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man their new album is so so good fake blood has been a heavy rotation

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_04]: The other the other stuff that I've been kind of like spinning over the last

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know six months. Well six months has been really just heart attack man on loop for

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You get a six months basically

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Gonna have to listen to them now. Yeah, yeah, man. They're really really really good

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, big big fan now and yeah, Ryan Brosmore put me on shout Ryan

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Ryan B, man

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah heart attack man

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_04]: They just they just

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Every time they come through Virginia. I either have something something going on and can't make it out

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, they're really good also really really like sincere engineer

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Another another musician with just like a really raspy voice

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And Deanna writes really really great really great songs, too

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that and like

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: man

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm on my I'm on my phone. I was gonna look through my

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man like sincere engineer and heart attack man are probably my two my two biggest earworms right now nice

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_05]: All right, so I'm gonna ask you these four questions that we ask everybody. All right

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: First question. Yes, if you were on death row, what would your final meal be?

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_04]: All right

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Man, what did okay? This might this might change just different from where I was where I was talking

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Last time but yeah, that's you know, everybody gets them again. So yeah, okay, so I'm gonna try

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Man I'm just gonna be kind of like a

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Mod Podge of stuff here. Yeah

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_04]: so I would I would really like to have like a basket of those rolls from Texas Roadhouse

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_04]: For like an app

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and then and then I I'd kick things off with

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_04]: with a

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: pepperoni pizza, yeah

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And anywhere from anywhere in particular or just um, I would

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Like right now my my current my probably as a Fredericksburg staple currently would probably I'd probably just get a giant slice from

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Benny's hell. Yeah

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Matt keeps talking about that man after my own heart

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_04]: If y'all are if y'all are trying to slide some pizza to some pop-punks here

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I would I would fucking walk down there as soon as we're done here if I could yeah, you're the babies will be

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Sponsor us. We'll

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Talk about you every episode. Yeah, man

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I would I would I would have a slice in my hand all day every day

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_04]: No matter what I'm doing if they would if they would slide me a pie every now and then you know

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_06]: they got chorizo and ground chorizo and

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Fried onions right now is one of them. Yeah, one of their monthly specials

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_06]: then after

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: after I slammed it after I slam a

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_04]: pepperoni slice

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna eat

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Eat some tacos from alpino chicken tacos

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And then after that I'm gonna see if I can crush a pound of like steamed shrimp

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: With like with like an extra pound of Old Bay just covering them suckers. Yeah

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna crush it with the dr. Pepper nice

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I also love alpino man. That's like one of the spots. Yeah, yeah, dude. That's another that's another

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Another Fredericksburg staple. Yeah, I've been around forever

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep, and if you know and if you're into margaritas, they have the biggest margaritas. Yeah, okay. Yeah

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna I'm gonna add you to the all-star category of our brains hurt final meals because that was epic

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude, I'm trying to eat for a little guy

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Second question what is your favorite cereal? Oh

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Dang dude, so somebody asked me this recently and we had to Google to see if they still make it

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: waffle crisp was

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But like my everyday go-to is frosted flakes, okay

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But I also dude, I don't know I go in and I get like the get like the big giant bags

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And like end up crushing crushing it way too. Way too quickly. Yeah

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But waffle crisp would be my jam

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Frosted flakes get a little because so my favorite cereal is fruity pebbles

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Now the problem with fruity pebbles is that you have to eat it fast

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_05]: You have to put a little milk in to eat it fast a little bit

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But I also like frosted flakes and I'm I I use the same technique with frosted flakes as I do free pebbles because they

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It gets soggy quick. You have to kind of yeah, you know, yeah

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_04]: well, I end up always kind of like

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the ratio of like milk to cereal is not right

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So I always have a ton of milk left over

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04]: so what I'll end up doing is

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll crush I'll crush like three quarters of a box and like one sitting cuz I'm like, oh, it's still milk left

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't just drink the milk you keep filling it with cereal. Yeah

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And the next day the next day when I'm like, oh let me have a bowl of cereal I'm like

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have any left. Yeah. Yeah, that's

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the curse of the cereal lovers. Yeah, man that or

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Cinnamon toast crunch is another another

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Great one. Mm-hmm

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Makes the best leftover milk too. Yeah, dude. I just like any it has just like a massive amount of sugar that is like

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Technically probably not healthy cereal for you. It's exactly what I'm gonna put my body

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_05]: All right third question is

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_05]: They actually do this now

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so they could take a

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_05]: If you become if you decide to be cremated when you pass away they could take your ashes and form it into a

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Vinyl record of your choice. So if you were gonna have your ashes eternalized in

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_05]: A vinyl record of your choice, what album would you pick? It has to be an album that exists. Okay

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_04]: um

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: man, I

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Feel like I

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Feel like I feel like I want to say oh Calcutta by the Lawrence arms

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_06]: That's my favorite Lawrence arms record

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But I talked about this before though. Yeah, dude that that for me is is like another no skip album

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like a perfect album perfect album front to back

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It's either that or another Brendan Kelly

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Affiliated the Falcon Unicornography. Oh, that's a good one, too

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think I actually this time I'm gonna go with Unicornography

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good one. That's a real about it Falcon

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Hanson

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_04]: No, dude that actually that that that has never been pressed on vinyl

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, cuz they that was right after

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was a time where the vinyl died and then yeah, they weren't doing fun

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, they have there's there's plenty of like there's plenty of like jukebox singles that they have

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're they've never released middle of nowhere on vinyl core

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_04]: At least to my knowledge. I have a friend of mine who swears up and down

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you if you go look on discogs, it's not it's never been pressed on vinyl

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_04]: but I

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Do own a copy of their Christmas album snowed in on green. I think I think that was the first pressing

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and so that's been that's been pressed by Mercury and I think under like their own like personal imprint or something like that

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_04]: but I

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Hanson nut up and give me middle of nowhere on vinyl, please

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I do know that they have seven inches because

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_06]: one time in the late 90s at Waffle House my friend and I played the bop seven inch like

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Like 28 times in a row

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I would have married you my man. Oh, yeah after about 14 times the people sit next to us were like

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Some asshole played like 14 times in a row and me and my friend just like giggling. We're like there's another 14 coming

[00:57:14] Oh

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You're welcome yeah

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude that's awesome. Yeah, you know cornography I'm going this one cool

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_05]: The last question is who is on your Mount Rushmore of punk rock you get five people because you get a crazy horse, too

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So okay. Yeah, and I actually uh, so I'm I need redemption from my my lap my my initial

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: My initial

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Mount Rushmore

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Because one of those people since you and it since you and I have spoken since the last time

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the people that I put on there has has been outed as like an awful predator and like hard our word

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The other the other og3 are are still there man Billy Joe Billy John's wrong

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Matt Sceba

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Brendan Kelly, I

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Think that I'm going to I think my substitute for evil dude is

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Lord Lord Jane Grace, oh nice

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: like I'm probably in the

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe like against me

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Minority that like I just love new wave. I think that album rocks. I love that album, too

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Love it so slick man. I love that

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so good. Yeah

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a no skipper for me

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_06]: But same I fucking I don't I don't understand why some old school against me fans don't like that album

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's I think I think cuz it's so good. It's so slick like I think so good

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, incredible songwriting

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_04]: No

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06]: No, that was their first one after they got signed by a major label. So that was like 2008 2009

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Seven maybe even yeah, no, I'd love that fucking record man, like it's fresh unreal is such a good song

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Even the one the one where he does the duet with the I can't remember if it's Keegan or Sarah

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like the slowest song on the record but it's so good. Yeah. Yeah, I think what is it?

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Lost on the FM airwaves of the heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That's it

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's to me that's against me is best lineup too. Yeah, and you know, I think

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that was the last album that Warren played on. You know, it was

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_06]: But like all the stuff with Warren is like my favorite stuff

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't like hate on any of the other stuff

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, like I pretty much love all their all their things but the the lineup with with Warren and

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_06]: And shit, I can't remember the bassist name who's back in the band now

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_06]: but

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_06]: No

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_06]: James

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Now James is a other guitarist. Okay, I can't think his name for some reason but whatever

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the best line I

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Lineup I've seen live the most like yeah, so good

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So um, and I think dude, I think my I think my fifth. I think my fifth

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Is gonna have to be Davey Havoc

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_06]: sweet

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Good choice as my wild horse. What a wild what a wild guy

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_05]: He is yeah

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I still remember the first time I saw a fi actually, um

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_06]: 1997

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_06]: It was that ever seen them never seen it was at the old twisters in Richmond

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay many other things over the years

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_06]: but it was sold out and

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_06]: we watched from the back door like

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: The the the manager of the spot open the back door so like us kids who got there late could watch

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Because the place was small so you can see everything just fine

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_06]: But it was a that that show there was a fourth band that I can't remember that was an opener but

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Whoever opened and then it was boy sets fire

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Then I am I then good riddance. Yeah. Oh dude, what is it? That's a solid. That's a solid bill, man

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_06]: In 1997 of all times too, so like

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: It was awesome. Yeah, that was before black sales was out, you know the

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead would you would you say that? That's like the the best lineup on a bill that you've seen live or no

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_06]: That was a good one back in the day for sure like definitely a good one. But no

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_06]: There there's been better I would just have to that's line up on a bill. That's a great question

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what did you do you have a best lineup

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Man that's cuz I've got I've got one about you. You have one ready to go. Yeah, man

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so best best touring bill I've ever seen

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: was

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: the gaslight anthem opening

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: This was like right when right when the 59 sound came out

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They played an in-store performance at at park abs CDs

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: A few blocks from my apartment in Orlando earlier in the day around like lunchtime

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They were super super nice

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And asked just kind of like in passing like what did anybody want to hear later?

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Like later when they played like a like a loud rock show

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: In 1930 is my favorite song of theirs. So they ended up they ended up playing that

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: For me and that was super super cool. So gaslight anthem opening

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Second band was thrice

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice nice. Yeah, it was one of my favorite songs of all time like yeah, okay, so like they are

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the heaviest bands I've ever seen live

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and maybe not so much now but like just the just like the low end and

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: The the venue that I saw them in it was like everything rattled man

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was one of the most heavy like heaviest things have been a part of

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So gas the gaslight anthem thrice

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: alkaline trio

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And this was this was when agony and irony had just dropped so

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They were kind of like is their first like first like major label kind of like release

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Excellent excellent performance and then rise against as the headliner. Oh nice. Yeah, that's a great show. Yeah

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, it's still thing. I still think about that all the time

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_05]: The one show that comes to mind for me and I think Matt was also at this show before we knew each other was

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Strung out all and Pennywise. Yeah, okay

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Capital Ballroom in DC that was that was it was actually a toot that was actually one of the things that popped in

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_06]: My head because that was actually a two night

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, I went to that night but it was who played the other night

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_06]: the second night was I

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Wish I could there was a there was there fourth band each night

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_06]: No, the first night only had three bands the second night had four and I can never remember

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, the fourth band on the second night, but the second night was

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Hot water music the mad caddies

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Somebody else an AFI

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_06]: That sounds like my night that I would have liked a lot and I cannot remember who the fourth band was but it

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Who it might have been good riddance actually?

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It very well might have been good riddance obviously in October. Yeah at the final no effects

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been to so many shows in my life that it's hard because I've been to so many fucking good like really really good ones

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_06]: That it's hard to like nail one down where I'm like, this was the best lineup because there's I know

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like like one of one of the ones that stand out question because that's that's a great question to ask everybody

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, one of the ones that stands out in my head. There's only two bands

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: It was at Peabody's in Virginia Beach if either of you guys have been there

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_06]: and

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_06]: so there's like a

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_06]: least I used to be I don't know if they're still is but there was a railing on the stage and

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I was right up against the railing it was just two bands

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It was the suicide machines played first and then a veil played second and this is it and this is in

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_06]: 1999 and I was like right up against the railing for both bands and both bands played for 45 minutes

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And I tell you there's fucking incredible like all I remember is the singer from

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Suicide machines because Peabody's has this low ceiling and there's like like steel trusses like rafters

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I just remember him like jumping up and grabbing them and flipping himself upside down

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And he and he was hanging by his fucking like his knees, you know

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_06]: My legs singing upside down for like yeah. Yeah

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_06]: That that was an incredible show. That's awesome. Yeah

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude I can dig that

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_05]: See this question. I'm gonna wake up tonight in the middle and I'm like, oh no, it was this show but like yeah

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Right now I'm thinking of that Capitol ballroom show with strung out all in Pennywise

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But that was yeah, I have a feeling there's another one that I'm just not it's not coming to me right now

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah drank I drank Heineken's with Fletcher backstage. That's right

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine how many people have a say like a similar story

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I've heard I've heard stories about how much those guys like to party. Yeah, I wasn't even 21. I was like 20

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Which which reminds me is what's funny is like one of the songs that I

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like most of most of the songs that are on this new album of ours

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Alpaca lips now

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Are like

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Really fast poppy catchy songs, but I was like doing doing some doing some

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Like listening and was like there's an ungodly amount of references to like smoke weed in all these songs. Yes

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So like a

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: last week

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Is like six months for me being like a sober person

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: so I stopped drinking in 2017 and I stopped smoking weed six months ago and

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, I'll tell you man. Like I feel like

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Like don't get me wrong. Like it still smells great

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But I

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Also kind of feel like whatever comes next for me in life as like how we started the pod today

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I feel like whatever comes next for me in life. I need to be a little bit more clear-headed

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah really

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: really

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Like

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, my phone is phone now, you're good your video was still good

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I feel like I feel like what comes next for me

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I need to be clear-headed so I can like you understand my emotions and why I'm feeling them and all that

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But dude, it's been it's been pretty cool and pretty cool. It's not for everybody. You know, yeah

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm glad you're in a good place man. Like yeah

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: For real, I know we haven't hung out in like a really long time

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: But like I'm glad you're in a good place and I'm super stoked to see you tomorrow night

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's been a good I can I cannot wait. I cannot wait

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I need I'm dying to catch six feet of vertical air. Yeah

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm dying to see you do it

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't you'd either the thing that I haven't done for years that I really that I also can't wait

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the intro just the hi. My name is Tom. This is my best friend Randy and this is my brother Sam and together

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We are the ambulance review from Fredericksburg, Virginia

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we get to play for a full hour

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's gonna be just mayhem for 60 minutes after I get to say that tomorrow

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So I can't I can't wait and and my goodness the song repertoire that you have at this point is massive

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude, if there's anything that you want to hear we already have the set list

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But if there's anything that you want to hear well, let me know and I'll see if it's on there

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: You're you're already gonna play the one song that you know, I want to hear. Okay. Yeah

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Definitely. I know that

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_06]: but

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_06]: You know the same song that I've been telling you to play for years, yeah that is finally on an album now, yep

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know if you caught it but the the ending of that has been reworked

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd know that the album version as soon as I as soon as I started listening to it

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh this is a little bit different than the 2017 version which was a little bit different than the acoustic version

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah, man. I

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: like the the thing the biggest thing for me is

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: the like the old the old ending of that it plays a full band it just sound a little too like

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I don't know how to describe it other than like

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_06]: The ending flows a little more with the song now than it did was like the pause and

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like I dug it the other way too, but it flows a little more now

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: This I yeah, that's exactly kind of what I was going for when I talked to Sam and Randy about like reworking it

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to I wanted to have something that didn't like didn't like we have enough start stops and things

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: But I I wanted it. Yeah exactly that word is I wanted to flow better

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's there's three sub drops on this album, too. So I wanted I wanted to have one in each song

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But figured three was probably enough

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And actually a shout out Kevin early from LNT the guitar player from LNT

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: He's who we recorded with and

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so so thankful to him that he was able to polish our group and make us listenable for people

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: He did a good job. He did he really there man. This album sounds big. We sound big. That's rad. Yeah

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Where's this? Yeah, is it in Fredericksburg? No

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Warranton right? Yeah. Yeah, he was out that way

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cool, yeah, yeah, he was he was so good to us we tracked we tracked the instruments live

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's kind of like how we'd like to do things

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like no click just all being in the same room

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: he was able to isolate all of our instruments and just threw a second guitar on everything and then vocals and

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: dude, it was a really really great experience really good money investment for us and

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, man, he he was able to polish polish us real real nice for this release and I'm so stoked

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: That people finally get to have it in their ear holes to today and tomorrow officially

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but Tom Tom actually taught me something years ago

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_06]: based off that song we were just talking about that because I have for the longest time been obsessed with Alice in Wonderland and

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_06]: That song when he wrote it and I heard him play it the first time I think acoustically

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's called in this style and it used to have the the numbers on the end of it when you first wrote it if I'm

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Not yes

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but in this style is what's written on that little card. That's in the Mad Hatter's hat

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh shit. Okay, now it's Wonderland and and that's what they used to

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Back in the days of when hats

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: You know people got their hats fitted like those really fancy hats fitted that's what the

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: The people who made the hats. I can't think of their name the Hatter's really

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know would put that little thing in there and it'd be like in this style

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And that would be the size that they would fit them in

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and then after I because I had never known what that was until

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Tom had written that song and and I didn't know that fact and then I learned it and then from that

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you know this or not

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_06]: But from that I learned that the reason the Mad Hatter is the Mad Hatter

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Is because those guys to keep to keep the hats hard and in their shape

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_06]: They would fucking pull mercury in their hands and rub

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Mercury all over the hats and it would and it would drive the guys who did the hats insane

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and that's why the Mad Hatter is the Mad Hatter. Yeah. Yeah, it's good wild. Yeah

[01:13:44] Yeah

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that that song had I got titled that because of the the lyric in the chorus of just I feel small

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know like I I don't talk a lot about like what songs are been that song seems pretty straightforward

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like oh somebody having a quarter like crisis because the opening line is what the fuck am I doing with my life?

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Today I turned 25. Yeah

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like the just the lyric of like I've

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: People you feel like what it what is going on?

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What if life is passing by, you know and you think about and even in retrospect

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like 11 12 years later from that from me and it's like

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: What were you doing? What were you doing then to be so upset about you know, like oh my life was over

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like no man. I'm 36 now and things are freaking awesome

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's all like light

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of enjoy aging in the sense of like things are much cooler now with with gained knowledge and perspective and

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Just like more life seasoning and like just the yeah

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's all got titled that because of the the lyric of the chorus of I feel small down here by the rabbit hole

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome, because I feel like a lot of young people feel like that

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like I don't know punk rock to you like I feel so alone and nobody gets me and it's like no man

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not necessarily the case, you know, that's why we ask people how you found punk because you know a lot of people

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Who find punk feel that way and they're purposely looking for something else. That's not mainstream. And so yeah

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and yeah, man and punk rock saves lives. That's a real thing. Yeah

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: What a time to be alive still

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Tom thanks so much for doing this man. Yeah, man. Thank you guys so much for having back on shout out. Yeah, see time brother

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with the record and give me like a show tomorrow night. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thank you so much

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys be well. Oh, yeah

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I'll catch you tomorrow night, man

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_06]: See you there. Yeah

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Buenos natos

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Later man

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_09]: I

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't do this shit I can still hear you. All right, so what do I have to press?