Torino Death Ride

[00:00:00] What's going on everyone? Welcome to another episode of Our Brains Hurt. Thank you so much for hanging out again. December 7th at the Pie Shop in DC will be our next party slash show that Our Brains Hurt is doing. It will be the Jasons, Huntingtons, My Band The Blanks, Beatnik Termites, Dead End Lane, and the Stivs. That's the Pie Shop on December 7th. It's a Saturday. Nice little way to bring in the holidays. Watch for tickets.

[00:00:30] More info to come. And that is that. Now, let's get to the show.

[00:01:28] Hey, what's up, man? Hey, man. Good to see you. Yeah, you as well. How you doing? I ain't too bad. For 9.30 at night, I'm not too bad at all. Yeah. Yeah, I'm on night, so this is like my morning.

[00:01:42] Wow. Yeah. Trying to get the... Yeah. I'm just making sure you can hear me well. Like, this mic's working on all that crap. Yeah, it's great. It sounds great. Cool.

[00:01:51] Making sure we're all good at the fall. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, you're doing better than I am because my computer's down, so I have to use my phone.

[00:01:57] Oh, yeah. I'm always prone to my Zoom settings, like, for work and stuff and, like, working from home, like, from time to time. It's just like, nothing works.

[00:02:06] Yeah. It's one of those things. You two guys have never met before, I don't think, yeah? No. I don't think so, no.

[00:02:14] I don't believe so. Where are you from? Crofton, Maryland. Okay. Okay.

[00:02:19] Where are you, Richmond? I'm in Arlington, but I grew up in Fredericksburg. So, I mean, I was around... That's why I knew Mac lived in Fredericksburg a lot growing up.

[00:02:28] Gotcha.

[00:02:28] Gotcha. But now I live in Arlington because of jobs and marriage. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:34] Yeah. Yay. That's funny because I'm from Arlington.

[00:02:37] Yeah. I know you said that to me a while back. I remember that now, man.

[00:02:41] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So...

[00:02:43] But, yeah, I don't know if your guys, or at least Ron's old band, if you guys ever played a show together.

[00:02:50] Because Ron was in a band called The Ailments. And obviously, Chris is in a band called Torino Death Ride. But I don't know if you guys ever crossed paths or not.

[00:03:00] I don't know. I don't think so.

[00:03:02] Yeah. I don't think so. I think...

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:05] Like, your band... I've definitely heard of your band before I knew you were going to be on the podcast. And I was looking at... And I definitely... I would have remembered.

[00:03:15] Because it's definitely like a unique... It's a unique name and it's a unique sound. It's a band that I would not have forgotten if we had...

[00:03:20] Okay. Well, thanks for saying that, man.

[00:03:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:03:24] Who came up with that name anyways?

[00:03:27] It was kind of a... Like a... Just like kind of a...

[00:03:30] It was like a little bit of a mesh of ideas because we had to do something when we were starting. And we were in a band. We kind of like...

[00:03:39] Well, we kind of, you know, I'm going to fly a band called Drive Like Jehu. We remember Drive Like Jehu. And so basically, we had to... It's almost like the name is pretty similar.

[00:03:48] It was a DeLorean Death Ride for a second. We had to think of something that was like this... You could say and like...

[00:03:53] Because we had this band name a long time ago that was like Gangland Buried Its Own. And then like...

[00:03:58] It was just too damn long. We were like, we have to have something that's like people can remember.

[00:04:01] And so I said... It was just people like compromising. So...

[00:04:05] Cool.

[00:04:05] Yeah, well... Torino Death Ride definitely rolls off the tongue.

[00:04:09] I'm glad.

[00:04:09] Because before...

[00:04:10] It's been memorable.

[00:04:11] Yeah.

[00:04:12] Before, like, you know, it was way too long. And it was like...

[00:04:15] That was like that math rock era whenever we had the long names and crap. And yeah.

[00:04:19] Yeah.

[00:04:19] And we had the other band in the past, but...

[00:04:22] So...

[00:04:23] Would you...

[00:04:23] Would you guys like...

[00:04:25] Officially classify yourself as math rock?

[00:04:28] I wouldn't know. I wouldn't say we're math rock. I mean, we're influenced by math rock. We really...

[00:04:33] I'm personally into math rock, like, you know, in that golden era of math rock, sort of like the late 90s, early 2000s.

[00:04:39] And a band... The previous bands I've been in were more like into math rock and like really kind of like trying to do math rock, quote unquote.

[00:04:47] But I mean, now we're trying to be more straight ahead with like, you know, making it more straight ahead.

[00:04:52] I mean, we're influenced by that stuff, but...

[00:04:54] Yeah.

[00:04:55] Yeah. And he's a hook after a while, man. You know, so I wouldn't want to say we're math rock. Yeah.

[00:04:59] That'd be true.

[00:05:00] I want to talk about what math rock is because I've...

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:03] So when we... When I was in my... The first band that I... The first serious band that I was in that actually like toured was back in like the late 90s.

[00:05:10] Yeah.

[00:05:11] And we were just a three-piece pop punk band called Shorty.

[00:05:15] But we... It was during... Like you said, it was like math rock was really popular at that time.

[00:05:21] And I hated it because my long-time high school girlfriend left me for some dude who played in a math rock band.

[00:05:28] Oh, no.

[00:05:28] And I had no idea what it was, but I was like, fuck math rock. I didn't even know. Like, I don't even like...

[00:05:33] And then I heard it was just called that. I heard it was just called that because it was like...

[00:05:38] It's like difficult hooks and it's hard to like find the one. And I don't know. I just heard that it's like a really like...

[00:05:44] Yeah. I mean, it's... I mean, I'm not even sure where that name came from, honestly.

[00:05:47] I mean, like the bands that like were doing that stuff way back in the old day, like Don Cavallaro or Super Like Johnny.

[00:05:52] There's a bunch of bands like that. I mean, I don't even know... I mean, who coined that term?

[00:05:56] But I mean, weird time signatures, dissonance, angular kind of stops and starts, like weird kind of chords, gazzy timings.

[00:06:06] I mean, it's definitely... I mean, the first wave of it was definitely influenced by hardcore and post-hardcore.

[00:06:11] Those guys, that's where they came from, right?

[00:06:13] Yeah.

[00:06:14] But I mean, I don't know. It just kind of emerged, but I don't know.

[00:06:17] All those movements kind of coalesced in weird ways. I mean, you know, it's almost after the fact, but...

[00:06:21] Yeah.

[00:06:22] I don't know.

[00:06:22] Shellac, sometimes it's called math rock, if you're familiar with shellac, but they're kind of more minimal and even like straight ahead rock sort of.

[00:06:29] Like even that band, like, I mean, even botch. I mean, if you've heard of botch, they can serve like math...

[00:06:34] I don't know.

[00:06:36] Math metal or something. I don't know.

[00:06:38] It's hard to say.

[00:06:39] Gotcha.

[00:06:40] Who knows?

[00:06:41] I think you and I have had a conversation once about my kind of favorite...

[00:06:49] I don't know, they're like math-y rock, I guess.

[00:06:51] Back from like the late 90s, early 2000s, there's a band called The Honor System.

[00:06:56] I don't think I've heard of The Honor System.

[00:06:59] They're not... I don't know if they would be classified as math rock, but they're definitely like...

[00:07:04] Yeah, they definitely have influences of...

[00:07:06] So I guess that wasn't you I had that conversation with, but...

[00:07:09] You probably would like that band.

[00:07:12] Yeah.

[00:07:12] Let's check it out.

[00:07:13] There's so many bands from so many cities, you know, it's like, you know...

[00:07:16] So, oh yeah.

[00:07:17] Yeah.

[00:07:18] Yeah.

[00:07:19] Have you ever heard of the band The Assistant?

[00:07:22] No.

[00:07:22] Math rock band out of New Jersey?

[00:07:25] The Assistants.

[00:07:26] The Assistant.

[00:07:27] Okay.

[00:07:27] Singular.

[00:07:28] I've not heard of them.

[00:07:28] Okay.

[00:07:29] That was the band that the dude was in that my girlfriend left.

[00:07:31] Yeah.

[00:07:31] I'm glad.

[00:07:32] Yeah.

[00:07:32] Nobody's ever heard of you.

[00:07:34] That's right.

[00:07:35] Written out of history, man.

[00:07:37] No, I'm sure they're awesome.

[00:07:38] Yeah.

[00:07:38] That's just me being stupid.

[00:07:39] That was like fucking 20 at the time.

[00:07:41] So whatever.

[00:07:42] Yeah, of course.

[00:07:46] What's funny, because my band went on tour.

[00:07:48] We toured...

[00:07:50] We actually just...

[00:07:50] We toured Florida with this Florida band.

[00:07:52] We did like five shows in Florida, and we brought them up here and played like DC,

[00:07:58] Baltimore, Annapolis.

[00:07:59] And it was funny, because it was right after...

[00:08:02] I really got...

[00:08:03] It's really weird that I'm bringing this up for the third time already on this podcast,

[00:08:06] but it's only because of the math rock.

[00:08:07] I don't think about this all the time, I promise you.

[00:08:09] But when we were on tour, we were like one night behind that band.

[00:08:15] They were also on tour.

[00:08:16] We were like, oh, The Assistant played here last night.

[00:08:17] I was like, fuck that guy.

[00:08:19] So anyway, that's the last time I'll talk about my ex-girlfriend, my high school ex-girlfriends.

[00:08:25] Probably now...

[00:08:25] Well, definitely now ex-boyfriend, because I know she's married to somebody else.

[00:08:29] Well, my ex-girlfriend could get pretty pretentious.

[00:08:31] I mean, it became kind of a little pretentious.

[00:08:34] I mean, everything could become pretentious.

[00:08:35] Everything does a bit...

[00:08:36] Yeah.

[00:08:36] Yeah.

[00:08:37] I mean, I don't know, but you know, whatever.

[00:08:38] But who knows?

[00:08:40] When did...

[00:08:41] So you're from Fredericksburg originally, correct?

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:46] So have you been in Virginia your entire life?

[00:08:49] Yeah.

[00:08:49] Except for really early on, I was in England a lot.

[00:08:52] Oh, cool.

[00:08:52] My father was in the Air Force.

[00:08:53] My mother was British.

[00:08:55] Okay.

[00:08:55] And so I was in England a lot in my early years, but it's definitely, yeah, I was originally

[00:09:00] from Fredericksburg.

[00:09:01] Right.

[00:09:01] So it's like the connection going back overseas, you know, hanging out with my family overseas

[00:09:06] from time to time.

[00:09:07] How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

[00:09:09] Oh, I'm 50.

[00:09:10] Are you really?

[00:09:11] Oh, yeah.

[00:09:12] Holy shit, dude.

[00:09:12] You look great.

[00:09:13] Well, thank you.

[00:09:14] I honestly...

[00:09:15] I would have thought that I was definitely older than you.

[00:09:18] And I'm 46.

[00:09:19] I would have guessed you in your late 30s to early 40s.

[00:09:22] Well, thank you, man.

[00:09:23] Yeah, that's good for you.

[00:09:24] Good for you.

[00:09:25] Healthy living.

[00:09:25] Maybe.

[00:09:26] I don't know.

[00:09:26] I had no idea, man.

[00:09:28] That's awesome.

[00:09:28] Yeah, damn.

[00:09:29] I had no idea you were 50.

[00:09:31] I think you probably look younger than me, too.

[00:09:34] And I'm a year younger than Ron.

[00:09:35] So...

[00:09:35] Yeah.

[00:09:36] Wow.

[00:09:37] Cool.

[00:09:38] That's...

[00:09:39] So...

[00:09:39] Yeah.

[00:09:39] So, as a 50-year-old growing up in...

[00:09:44] So, you did, you know, your formative music listening years

[00:09:46] are probably like the mid-80s and on, probably?

[00:09:51] Yeah, late 80s and on.

[00:09:52] Yeah.

[00:09:52] I mean, late 80s and on, pretty much.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:54] How did you get into punk rock for the first time?

[00:09:56] Do you remember how that happened?

[00:09:58] And what bands kind of brought you into the fold?

[00:10:02] I was lucky because my brother was into underground music

[00:10:05] and hardcore.

[00:10:06] And, like, you know, he just kind of introduced me

[00:10:08] and he had this really cool friend.

[00:10:09] And, like, it was kind of handed me records.

[00:10:11] And so, I remember being...

[00:10:13] It was all at once in a way.

[00:10:15] It was all...

[00:10:15] It was, like, some of the, like, death metal stuff,

[00:10:18] like, you know, Celtic Frost.

[00:10:19] I mean, not really death metal, but...

[00:10:21] And then, of course, hearing Sonic Youth, like,

[00:10:25] you know, really that early period was, like,

[00:10:27] kind of blew my mind.

[00:10:28] And, like, of course, Black Flag, Minor Threat,

[00:10:31] Youth of the Day.

[00:10:32] I mean, I remember, like, that kind of...

[00:10:34] That classic period, you know.

[00:10:35] So, it was kind of, like, all at once.

[00:10:37] We, like, you know, that really loud indie rock.

[00:10:40] I mean, Sonic Youth was really called noise rock.

[00:10:43] I'm not even sure what they even used to those terms.

[00:10:45] But, you know, even the stuff like, you know,

[00:10:47] the death metal bands from back in that time period,

[00:10:49] it was all just, like, that conglomeration of, like,

[00:10:52] that kind of, like, spirit and, like, that energy, man.

[00:10:54] It kind of, like, just blew my mind, honestly.

[00:10:56] Because, you know, because, I mean, you know,

[00:10:58] I was used to, like, you know, MTV and, like, you know,

[00:11:01] getting handed cassettes of stuff when you're, you know,

[00:11:03] like, hey, listen to, like, I don't know,

[00:11:06] Duran Duran or something, right?

[00:11:07] You know, Motley Crue.

[00:11:08] Then, like, you hear Sonic Youth, you know,

[00:11:10] and then, you know, that just, like,

[00:11:12] just completely, like, changed my trajectory.

[00:11:14] I mean, you know.

[00:11:16] Yeah.

[00:11:17] Yeah.

[00:11:17] That's cool.

[00:11:18] So Sonic Youth was kind of one of your first non-mainstream.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:22] I mean, yeah.

[00:11:24] Yeah.

[00:11:25] I mean, and then I would say in that early period,

[00:11:27] like, you know, Black Flag, Youth of Today.

[00:11:29] I mean, that period of time.

[00:11:32] I mean, I remember being, like, really into

[00:11:35] even some industrial music from that period, you know.

[00:11:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:11:39] Like Skinny Puppy and stuff like that.

[00:11:40] I mean, that doesn't really bear out to this day now.

[00:11:43] But it was all just kind of, like, one cool thing.

[00:11:45] You know, like, underground music

[00:11:46] and all these, like, interesting sounds

[00:11:48] and, you know, abrasive, kind of aggressive stuff

[00:11:50] that was happening.

[00:11:51] I was just, like, really into that kind of stuff.

[00:11:52] I mean, I consider myself kind of, like, a hardcore kid,

[00:11:55] but then I was just all into that stuff all at once,

[00:11:57] I guess, in some weird way.

[00:11:59] Yeah.

[00:12:00] I don't know.

[00:12:01] That's cool.

[00:12:02] A lot of the Black Flag stuff was, like,

[00:12:06] especially, like, the mid-era Black Flag

[00:12:08] was, like, really Mavrock-y in itself.

[00:12:10] Yeah.

[00:12:10] Even though you would call them a hardcore band, you know?

[00:12:13] Yeah, I totally agree with that.

[00:12:15] Yeah.

[00:12:15] There were definitely an antecedent to all that stuff.

[00:12:17] I mean, yeah.

[00:12:18] I've always influenced by that.

[00:12:20] Dead Candies.

[00:12:21] I mean, of course, they're kind of complex.

[00:12:24] I mean, their musicianship is, like, really,

[00:12:26] like, if you, like, listen to that stuff,

[00:12:27] it's really pretty impressive, you know?

[00:12:29] They weren't just very basic, like, you know,

[00:12:31] throwing a bunch of bar chords together, you know?

[00:12:33] Which was great, you know?

[00:12:34] I mean, not to say that's the wrong thing to do.

[00:12:36] Yeah.

[00:12:36] Huh.

[00:12:37] Yeah, I always loved, like, the kind of,

[00:12:43] like, also mixing in, like, the surf-rock-y kind of stuff

[00:12:46] that the Dead Kennedys did, too.

[00:12:47] Like, they did kind of take, like, punk, math,

[00:12:51] and surf rock, and hardcore,

[00:12:54] and kind of mix them all together.

[00:12:56] Yeah.

[00:12:56] And they were great musicians.

[00:12:58] Oh, they were.

[00:12:59] I mean, you could tell how tight they were.

[00:13:00] I mean, that period in, like, punk or hardcore,

[00:13:04] like, around 1980, 81, 79, I mean, that was,

[00:13:07] even, like, 1982, whatever, that formative period,

[00:13:11] I mean, there were just so many, like,

[00:13:13] interesting ideas happening.

[00:13:14] I mean, it was, like, all kind of open-ended.

[00:13:17] I mean, there wasn't, like, something that you could label

[00:13:18] as, like, this is hardcore, this is this, or this is that.

[00:13:21] Yeah.

[00:13:22] Even, like, Gang of Four, I mean,

[00:13:24] I mean, at that time period, that was super cool, you know?

[00:13:27] I mean, that was before my time,

[00:13:31] retroactively, I guess you'd call it retrospectively, you know?

[00:13:33] Yeah.

[00:13:34] It's funny, you mentioned Skinny Puppy.

[00:13:36] I had, when I, I graduated high school in 95,

[00:13:38] and I went to this small college up in New York.

[00:13:42] Yeah.

[00:13:42] For the first couple years,

[00:13:44] then I ended up transferring and graduating

[00:13:45] from University of Maryland, but when I was up there,

[00:13:48] it was a really small school,

[00:13:49] and I remember being in orientation,

[00:13:52] and I was, like, really into old-school ska and reggae,

[00:13:57] so I used to dress like a rude boy back in there.

[00:13:58] I had, like, the bomber jacket and my fucking pants.

[00:14:00] And cabbie hat and all the buttons and patches on my bomber.

[00:14:04] And my fucking braces, you know?

[00:14:06] And boots.

[00:14:08] And I remember the only other person that wasn't a square

[00:14:12] was this industrial kid who had this skinny puppy.

[00:14:16] And he, we looked at each other at the same time,

[00:14:19] and we were like, all right, we're going to be friends.

[00:14:21] Oh, yeah.

[00:14:21] So it was just this odd couple of this, like,

[00:14:23] rude boy and, like, goth kid.

[00:14:26] Yeah.

[00:14:26] That we had just hung out every day

[00:14:28] because we were the only two people

[00:14:29] that weren't, like, everybody else.

[00:14:31] That's how high school, that's high school and college for me,

[00:14:33] especially high school.

[00:14:34] Like, all the weird people kind of, like,

[00:14:36] you know, you kind of, like, you know,

[00:14:37] you kind of, like, oh, yeah, yeah,

[00:14:38] we're going to, like, you know, we okay,

[00:14:40] because, you know, essentially, honestly,

[00:14:42] the Rednecks won't, you know,

[00:14:43] we, you know, they're not going to,

[00:14:45] we've got a little gang here,

[00:14:46] so we'll be, like, humbled by Rednecks.

[00:14:48] I mean, yeah, not too pejorative, man,

[00:14:49] but when I grew up there,

[00:14:51] it was kind of like that, man.

[00:14:52] It was one of those things, man.

[00:14:55] They weren't very tolerant.

[00:14:56] I mean, it's being real.

[00:14:56] I mean, you know, not to say Rednecks are bad people

[00:14:59] because I know a few Rednecks

[00:15:00] to this day, you know,

[00:15:02] but back in the old days,

[00:15:03] it was, like, pretty much,

[00:15:06] they kick our asses, you know,

[00:15:07] every once in a while.

[00:15:08] It's being real about it.

[00:15:09] There were a lot of Rednecks

[00:15:11] in this area back then,

[00:15:13] like, a lot.

[00:15:14] I could imagine.

[00:15:14] Yeah, in central Virginia, yeah.

[00:15:16] Different times.

[00:15:16] There's not so many now.

[00:15:18] Yeah.

[00:15:20] There's a far last.

[00:15:21] I mean, there still are some,

[00:15:22] but, like, they made up, like,

[00:15:24] 75% of the population back then.

[00:15:26] Yeah.

[00:15:27] Now they're, like, you know,

[00:15:29] maybe 10% of the population.

[00:15:31] Right, right.

[00:15:32] I mean, there's Rednecks in Scotland, dude.

[00:15:34] I mean, you know what I'm saying?

[00:15:35] I mean, there's Rednecks in Canada.

[00:15:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:15:36] I mean, I'm just being real about that,

[00:15:38] you know?

[00:15:38] Oh, yeah.

[00:15:39] I know people in Scotland.

[00:15:40] Oh, I mean, Wales is all Rednecks.

[00:15:42] I mean, I have friends who went to college there

[00:15:46] and they were, like,

[00:15:47] they were, like,

[00:15:48] Wales is the Alabama of the UK.

[00:15:53] My uncle is actually a Scottish.

[00:15:55] He's probably, like,

[00:15:55] he'll probably see this one day.

[00:15:57] He'll be like, oh.

[00:16:00] Anyway, whatever.

[00:16:01] Do you follow Premier League at all?

[00:16:03] I don't.

[00:16:06] I actually should,

[00:16:07] but I'm just kind of insane about hockey.

[00:16:09] So that's just my love is hockey.

[00:16:11] And I've got, like,

[00:16:11] a dumb OB t-shirt on.

[00:16:13] Nice.

[00:16:13] I don't know.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:14] It's like that.

[00:16:15] When he scored 800 or two,

[00:16:17] what, it's, like, so dumb.

[00:16:18] Yeah.

[00:16:18] A man after Matt's heart.

[00:16:19] There you go.

[00:16:20] Yeah.

[00:16:20] I'm like a rabid hockey fan.

[00:16:22] So it's like that.

[00:16:22] I just kind of,

[00:16:23] I just really into hockey.

[00:16:24] But I watch a little bit of baseball.

[00:16:26] But, yeah.

[00:16:27] I mean, I could get in.

[00:16:28] I mean, soccer is cool.

[00:16:30] And I mean,

[00:16:30] and there's like, you know,

[00:16:31] there's a team in Ipswich.

[00:16:33] That's my mom's hometown.

[00:16:34] Oh, that's it.

[00:16:34] Yeah.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:35] So I probably should follow that

[00:16:37] if I was more, you know, with it.

[00:16:39] But I don't know.

[00:16:40] Are they in the Premier League right now,

[00:16:42] Ipswich?

[00:16:42] I don't know if they are or not.

[00:16:43] They are.

[00:16:44] Yeah.

[00:16:45] Okay.

[00:16:45] Yeah.

[00:16:45] I mean,

[00:16:46] I should probably fact check that,

[00:16:47] but I didn't, you know.

[00:16:49] I'll check it as we speak.

[00:16:50] That's the awesomeness of my Google machine.

[00:16:53] I should know this too

[00:16:54] because I follow the Premier League,

[00:16:56] but I don't know.

[00:16:57] Well, I don't.

[00:16:58] At least I should know that fact.

[00:16:59] I think they're in the Premier League.

[00:17:03] Didn't Ovi put in 860 last night?

[00:17:08] I don't think he's at 860.

[00:17:09] I think he's still in the 850s.

[00:17:11] I mean,

[00:17:11] he did score last night,

[00:17:13] but I didn't keep up with the actual total.

[00:17:16] I think it was,

[00:17:17] he put in 860 last night.

[00:17:18] Well, that's cool.

[00:17:19] It might have been 859,

[00:17:21] but I'm pretty sure it was 860 last night.

[00:17:24] Well, that's killer.

[00:17:25] I mean,

[00:17:25] he's getting close, man.

[00:17:26] I mean,

[00:17:26] hopefully he can do this season.

[00:17:29] He's got,

[00:17:29] he's only 35,

[00:17:32] I think.

[00:17:33] 35?

[00:17:34] I forgot exactly.

[00:17:35] Yeah.

[00:17:35] Yeah.

[00:17:35] If he,

[00:17:36] if you put in 860,

[00:17:37] then he would need 35 to take it.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:40] That's what,

[00:17:40] that's what I think it is.

[00:17:41] So anyway.

[00:17:43] Which is crazy.

[00:17:44] He's in the Premier League this year.

[00:17:46] Hooray.

[00:17:46] They only have five points,

[00:17:48] so they might not be in the Premier League next year,

[00:17:50] but they are in it right now.

[00:17:52] Well,

[00:17:52] my guitar player,

[00:17:53] Ben was here.

[00:17:54] We would know he's born to,

[00:17:54] he actually,

[00:17:55] he's born to soccer,

[00:17:57] but he actually got the singles vaccine.

[00:17:59] He felt like hell.

[00:18:00] He was actually supposed to be here.

[00:18:01] Oh,

[00:18:02] okay.

[00:18:02] Yeah.

[00:18:02] So he was supposed to be here actually,

[00:18:03] but oh well.

[00:18:05] I've actually had singles before.

[00:18:07] I've had shingles.

[00:18:07] That sucks,

[00:18:08] man.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:09] Like a month,

[00:18:09] a month before my wedding.

[00:18:11] Wow,

[00:18:11] dude.

[00:18:12] Yeah.

[00:18:12] It was crazy.

[00:18:13] I had it on my,

[00:18:13] it was like,

[00:18:14] I didn't know what the fuck.

[00:18:15] So all of a sudden,

[00:18:16] like my hair was like,

[00:18:17] wow,

[00:18:18] my head started to hurt.

[00:18:19] I was like,

[00:18:19] I told my wife,

[00:18:20] I was like,

[00:18:20] my hair hurts.

[00:18:21] She's like,

[00:18:21] what do you mean your hair hurts?

[00:18:22] I was like,

[00:18:23] I don't know what I mean,

[00:18:23] but every time I do this,

[00:18:24] it hurts.

[00:18:25] And then it started,

[00:18:26] this rash came over my eye.

[00:18:27] Fuck.

[00:18:28] And,

[00:18:29] uh,

[00:18:30] yeah,

[00:18:30] I went to the doctor like,

[00:18:31] yeah,

[00:18:31] you have shingles.

[00:18:31] I'm like,

[00:18:32] shit.

[00:18:34] Did you ever have chicken pox?

[00:18:37] Did you ever have chicken pox as a kid?

[00:18:38] Yeah.

[00:18:38] Yeah.

[00:18:39] Cause it's in you.

[00:18:40] I guess if you have it.

[00:18:41] Yeah.

[00:18:42] Yeah.

[00:18:42] It is state ladies dormant.

[00:18:43] That's why,

[00:18:44] you know,

[00:18:45] vaccines and you know,

[00:18:47] it,

[00:18:47] anyway,

[00:18:48] whatever.

[00:18:48] I remember it was like,

[00:18:49] I found out it was like a couple of days before my,

[00:18:52] um,

[00:18:53] bachelor party,

[00:18:54] which was,

[00:18:54] it wasn't really a bachelor.

[00:18:55] We just went out to bars and shit,

[00:18:57] but my antibiotics and,

[00:18:59] um,

[00:19:00] I didn't start taking the antibiotics right away.

[00:19:01] Cause I knew I was going to be drinking,

[00:19:03] chicken a lot on my bachelor,

[00:19:05] bachelor party.

[00:19:08] It's like,

[00:19:08] why,

[00:19:08] why haven't you started taking your antibiotics?

[00:19:10] I was like,

[00:19:11] well,

[00:19:11] I knew I was going to be probably vomiting the day after my,

[00:19:13] uh,

[00:19:14] and he was so mad at me.

[00:19:15] I was like,

[00:19:15] I'll start taking,

[00:19:16] I'll start now.

[00:19:18] Yeah.

[00:19:18] It's a big deal.

[00:19:21] My bond.

[00:19:23] Yep.

[00:19:23] Yeah.

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[00:20:23] Are you the guitar player or the bass player?

[00:20:25] I'm the bass player.

[00:20:26] Okay.

[00:20:26] Bass player.

[00:20:27] Nice.

[00:20:28] Hello, bass player.

[00:20:29] Love it.

[00:20:30] Oh, yeah, man.

[00:20:31] I could talk bass all day.

[00:20:32] Hell yeah.

[00:20:32] Get all nerdy.

[00:20:33] Get too nerdy and everybody would be like, what the fuck gets hard about?

[00:20:36] I play the orange 80, 80, 200.

[00:20:39] I don't know.

[00:20:39] It's like, who cares?

[00:20:41] It's like,

[00:20:43] anyway, whatever.

[00:20:46] You get a little nerdy with that shit.

[00:20:47] Hell yeah.

[00:20:49] When did you guys form?

[00:20:51] Tell us the history.

[00:20:53] Basically, if I have it right, it's 2015.

[00:20:56] And I'll probably get my butt kicked for that because I'm not that good with the dates.

[00:21:00] So basically, there was a band that was everybody in the band now, minus our singer Richard.

[00:21:07] And it was actually my guitar player's wife.

[00:21:10] Her name is Zoe.

[00:21:11] And we basically were playing more mathy, kind of like almost shoegaze or mathy stuff.

[00:21:16] Gotcha.

[00:21:16] Then she stepped away amicably.

[00:21:20] And then we kind of wanted to be a little bit more heavier or abrasive.

[00:21:25] We were listening to a band called Helmsley a lot at that time period.

[00:21:29] And I'm not sure if there was guys or not.

[00:21:31] What are they called again?

[00:21:33] Helmsley.

[00:21:33] Okay.

[00:21:34] And I'm really in bands like Converge.

[00:21:36] I mean, more than like, I'm part of that person who listens to the heaviest stuff.

[00:21:39] That's a little bit tangent.

[00:21:40] But so we wanted to play a little bit more abrasively.

[00:21:42] And so we, you know, we, you know, wanted somebody that could kind of scream and yell.

[00:21:46] And so we found our good friend Richard and he fit the bill perfectly.

[00:21:50] And yeah, it kind of just became a little bit more in that kind of like.

[00:21:55] A little bit more heavier, but we, I mean, the band beforehand called Gangling and Bears of

[00:21:58] Zone was, it was pretty loud.

[00:22:00] That's kind of how it came to be.

[00:22:02] And, you know, I don't know, just playing some local shows, writing a bunch of songs.

[00:22:10] Yeah.

[00:22:11] Just kind of coalesced.

[00:22:15] I mean, you know, with our, you know, busy adulting lives, you know, of course.

[00:25:11] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:11] Yeah.

[00:25:11] I mean, you know, even before, you know, we used to play a lot more shows, you know,

[00:25:16] get in the van, go do stuff like that.

[00:25:18] And, you know, with adulting and careers, you know, now it's more somewhat more part time,

[00:25:24] you know, this band has been that way.

[00:25:26] So totally going strong ever since.

[00:25:28] Again, I hope 2015 is the right date.

[00:25:33] I'll probably be back checked on that at some point.

[00:25:36] It might be 2014, actually.

[00:25:40] I think you're right.

[00:25:41] I think you may be right.

[00:25:42] Yeah.

[00:25:43] Because I believe that you guys, I believe I had seen you guys play a very early show

[00:25:50] before I had gotten invited to be in Savage Remains.

[00:25:54] And I got invited to be in Savage Remains, like right in early 20 or sorry, very late 2014.

[00:26:01] Then it definitely predates.

[00:26:03] It has to be 2014 or maybe earlier.

[00:26:06] I'm screwed with dates, dude.

[00:26:09] No, we have.

[00:26:09] So Matt Alive, a.k.a.

[00:26:13] The Rain Man of Punk Rock will find facts even of your own.

[00:26:16] Well, actually, I get fact-checked this after.

[00:26:19] You can just like, you know, probably fix it or something.

[00:26:22] I don't know.

[00:26:22] But I mean, you know, our singer Richard's actually a little bit better with all that stuff.

[00:26:26] Yeah.

[00:26:27] He's actually studying right now.

[00:26:30] He's in the midst of doing a lot of stuff in college.

[00:26:34] He actually lives right around the corner from me now.

[00:26:37] Yeah, it would have been cool if he could have come over, but he's like, he's just slammed.

[00:26:40] Like, he's just-

[00:26:40] Yeah.

[00:26:41] Yeah, I'm sure.

[00:26:41] I mean, literally, he lives like a freaking block and a half from me.

[00:26:45] Nice.

[00:26:46] Yeah, that's cool.

[00:26:47] So yeah, I mean, my band, I don't know.

[00:26:49] I mean, it's been kind of, it's just kind of, we recorded one full length.

[00:26:53] And then like, beyond that, it's like, you know, we're now recording again, finally.

[00:26:58] Yeah.

[00:26:59] Yeah.

[00:26:59] So I mean, it's been kind of slow going, but we've been playing shows pretty regularly.

[00:27:03] I mean, we play at least on average, like once, probably like once a month, twice a month.

[00:27:08] That's a good amount of time.

[00:27:09] And then there's like, you know, little, you know, ebbs and flows with the holidays and people get busy and adulting, you know.

[00:27:17] Hell yeah.

[00:27:18] That's a good, like, you know, for us, it's like practice.

[00:27:22] Once a week, play a show once a month.

[00:27:24] That's kind of like, you know, we try to do at least that.

[00:27:31] Yeah, we have like little weekend jaunts from time.

[00:27:33] I mean, go ahead.

[00:27:34] Oh, I was just going to say, I do have your vinyl, by the way.

[00:27:37] Well, thank you.

[00:27:39] Yeah.

[00:27:40] That's cool.

[00:27:40] Now there'll be more to come.

[00:27:42] I mean, yeah, we're recording now and hopefully, I imagine spring of 2025 is, I'm just kind of spitballing that.

[00:27:49] Where are you guys recording?

[00:27:51] There's a good friend of ours.

[00:27:53] His name is Joe Corazon.

[00:27:54] Okay.

[00:27:55] Slugged that a little bit.

[00:27:56] Yeah.

[00:27:56] He has like a little thing.

[00:27:58] He calls it Bumleg Records.

[00:28:00] It's basically like, he has a really nice studio in Stafford.

[00:28:06] And it's really, you know, of course, local to you guys.

[00:28:08] And he has his whole basement just like decked out like a really nice studio.

[00:28:12] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:28:12] I mean, it's really professional stuff.

[00:28:14] But I mean, you know, he's been having a few health issues, sadly.

[00:28:20] Unfortunately, not to like broadcast that too much.

[00:28:22] So he's kind of slowed down at it a little bit.

[00:28:24] But I mean, he's still doing stuff.

[00:28:25] But yeah.

[00:28:25] So it's really cool to have like a recording engineer as a good friend.

[00:28:28] And so.

[00:28:29] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:28:29] Yeah.

[00:28:30] It's really a cool thing.

[00:28:31] And I sit up there so we could just go over there.

[00:28:33] And, you know, he doesn't, you know, you know, the whole buddy system, you know, doesn't.

[00:28:36] Yeah.

[00:28:37] We have essentially the friend rate in so many words.

[00:28:39] Yeah.

[00:28:39] Yeah.

[00:28:39] He gets to try out new gear on us and stuff like that.

[00:28:42] And, you know, so it works out pretty well.

[00:28:44] Nice.

[00:28:45] Yeah.

[00:28:45] Yeah.

[00:28:46] Invaluable connection when you have somebody like that.

[00:28:48] So good.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:50] That's awesome.

[00:28:50] Yeah.

[00:28:50] Previous band we recorded with that guy, you know, Jay Robbins from Jawbox.

[00:28:54] Yeah.

[00:28:55] I've heard that name before.

[00:28:56] He has a recording studio in Baltimore.

[00:28:58] And in my previous band, we recorded with him.

[00:29:00] That's probably the most, you know, biggest recording thing we've ever done.

[00:29:03] Per se.

[00:29:03] But like, you know, not this band.

[00:29:05] Right.

[00:29:05] We're considering going back to him, but that's the one.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:08] Do you guys have any like shows coming up?

[00:29:12] Well, this may be like out, you know, I mean, like later than that.

[00:29:15] But we were playing literally this Thursday at the Camel in Richmond.

[00:29:20] Well, cool.

[00:29:21] Yep.

[00:29:22] The Camel Rules.

[00:29:22] I'd love that place.

[00:29:23] Yeah.

[00:29:24] It's a good room.

[00:29:25] That's a very cool room.

[00:29:26] I love that room.

[00:29:27] Yeah.

[00:29:27] Our good friends, Vulcanite.

[00:29:29] They're good friends of ours from Richmond.

[00:29:32] And then even Blazner.

[00:29:33] They're from Fredericksburg.

[00:29:34] And then after that, Reclaim Arcade, which is a nice, a cooler new venue in Fredericksburg,

[00:29:39] actually.

[00:29:40] Local to you guys.

[00:29:42] With Supreme Commander and Walk the Plank.

[00:29:44] They're from D.C.

[00:29:45] So.

[00:29:46] Yeah.

[00:29:46] I saw flyers for that one.

[00:29:49] Local to me.

[00:29:49] Yeah.

[00:29:50] Local to me.

[00:29:51] Ron's in Maryland.

[00:29:52] Yeah.

[00:29:52] Oh, yeah.

[00:29:52] Yeah.

[00:29:53] Yeah.

[00:29:53] So.

[00:29:53] Walk the Plank.

[00:29:55] Actually, so the biggest, like we were talking about my old band, The Alements.

[00:29:59] Yeah.

[00:29:59] Previously.

[00:30:00] The biggest show we ever played was at the Rock and Roll Hotel with Agent Orange.

[00:30:05] And we played with Walk the Plank, that show.

[00:30:07] That's cool.

[00:30:08] Yeah.

[00:30:08] It was awesome.

[00:30:08] They're good guys, man.

[00:30:09] They're so good.

[00:30:10] Yeah.

[00:30:10] They're really cool people, too.

[00:30:11] Yeah.

[00:30:11] Very cool people.

[00:30:12] Yeah.

[00:30:13] Great band.

[00:30:13] Super cool people.

[00:30:14] Yeah.

[00:30:15] My buddy that lives around here, Luke, used to be in Walk the Plank.

[00:30:18] He also used to be in Cop Stabber.

[00:30:20] Wow.

[00:30:20] Oh, Cop Stabber.

[00:30:21] I just saw.

[00:30:22] Yeah.

[00:30:23] Yeah.

[00:30:23] We played with Luxury Teeth a couple weeks ago, who's the singer for Cop Stabber.

[00:30:27] Yeah.

[00:30:27] Sings for them.

[00:30:28] Yeah.

[00:30:28] Yeah.

[00:30:29] My buddy Luke used to play in both those bands.

[00:30:31] Oh, that's cool.

[00:30:32] Wow.

[00:30:33] Cop Stabber was wild as fuck on stage.

[00:30:34] Yeah.

[00:30:35] Yeah.

[00:30:35] Yeah.

[00:30:37] What's your most memorable show that you've played and one that you've been to?

[00:30:43] Gee whiz, man.

[00:30:44] Remember when I played?

[00:30:47] That's really tough.

[00:30:49] Yeah.

[00:30:49] Trick questions.

[00:30:50] Most memorable show on stage and most memorable show as a spectator.

[00:30:53] Wow.

[00:30:54] We edit, so you can take your time.

[00:30:55] Yeah.

[00:30:56] I mean, damn.

[00:30:58] Memorable show.

[00:30:59] I probably have to say maybe our first show was very memorable because it was just really

[00:31:05] fresh and exciting and playing the songs for people and people kind of getting into

[00:31:10] it early on.

[00:31:11] And, you know, we also had a show at a place called Skid Row Garage.

[00:31:15] Oh, in York?

[00:31:16] Pennsylvania?

[00:31:17] Yeah.

[00:31:17] North Pennsylvania.

[00:31:18] Yeah.

[00:31:18] That was a very cool show.

[00:31:20] That's one of the most memorable shows.

[00:31:21] I mean, it's kind of recent, but this is like a nice packed room.

[00:31:25] It was a really good vibe.

[00:31:26] I've heard good things about that place.

[00:31:28] There's a really good vibe there, man.

[00:31:30] The people there, the crowd there.

[00:31:32] The people up in PA, they have this really cool attitude.

[00:31:36] They're really into it.

[00:31:37] Yeah.

[00:31:38] That was one of the most memorable shows.

[00:31:40] Cool.

[00:31:40] Yeah.

[00:31:41] And again, the first one.

[00:31:43] But I mean, I think I'm attending a show.

[00:31:45] I hope I have this right because it's like ancient history.

[00:31:47] But I may be putting two shows together.

[00:31:51] But I remember going at the Autobar and seeing Converge and the Locust together.

[00:31:55] I think that was that one show.

[00:31:57] That's the early 2000s.

[00:31:59] And that was totally off the hook, man.

[00:32:01] So was that the old Autobar?

[00:32:03] Yeah.

[00:32:04] The small, tiny Autobar.

[00:32:06] Yeah.

[00:32:06] I mean, I hope I have that right.

[00:32:07] Because I mean, like, you know, because I saw Converge and Locust together.

[00:32:10] And I think it was at the Autobar at that period.

[00:32:13] And I mean, it was totally like off the hook, man.

[00:32:16] I just stepped back.

[00:32:17] I mean, even I was all.

[00:32:18] That was probably wild as fuck at that venue with the smaller fucking.

[00:32:22] Yeah.

[00:32:22] Because I mean, when the Locusts were playing, I mean, those kids were going absolutely.

[00:32:26] Like they were just like, it was like, it's just like walls were crawling.

[00:32:29] I mean, they're just going insane or losing their fucking mind.

[00:32:32] I mean, Converge was brutal as shit back then.

[00:32:35] You know, I mean, there still are.

[00:32:36] Yeah.

[00:32:37] Yeah.

[00:32:37] You know, that Jane Doe period.

[00:32:38] You know, that was just like insane.

[00:32:40] Plague landscape.

[00:32:41] I mean, I think it was like Plague Landscapes or whatever it was called.

[00:32:44] That Locust album at that point.

[00:32:46] I was really into that kind of crazy or like this mathy grindcore.

[00:32:50] Just like go insane stuff back in the day.

[00:32:52] I mean, I still like that kind of stuff.

[00:32:53] Like the Locusts.

[00:32:54] But I was really into that for a while.

[00:32:55] And my bandmates were like, what the fuck is this shit?

[00:32:59] It was like, this is fucking unlistable, man.

[00:33:02] What is, I mean, it's whatever.

[00:33:03] You know, have you ever heard the Locusts before?

[00:33:05] It's kind of, it's pretty extreme.

[00:33:07] Yeah, it's pretty extreme.

[00:33:08] I've never heard them before.

[00:33:09] It's called the Locusts.

[00:33:10] Yeah, I think their classic album is called Plague Soundscapes.

[00:33:14] I actually have that right.

[00:33:14] Plague Soundscapes, if I remember correctly.

[00:33:16] It's like their classic album.

[00:33:18] Cool.

[00:33:18] They're pretty, it's like grindcore.

[00:33:22] But like, it's very like precise.

[00:33:24] And they throw in some like organ sounds.

[00:33:26] And it's really just kind of like, it's pretty furious.

[00:33:29] Cool.

[00:33:30] Yeah.

[00:33:30] Yeah.

[00:33:31] I got, I mean, I got into hardcore, like the first punk band that I really, I always

[00:33:35] said that the Dead Milkmen were my kind of gateway drug to punk rock.

[00:33:38] Somebody gave me Big Lizard in my backyard.

[00:33:40] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:33:41] Back when I was like a sophomore in high school.

[00:33:44] Yeah.

[00:33:45] But then I fell in love with Gorilla Biscuits.

[00:33:47] I heard them and I was like, oh, this is the greatest band ever.

[00:33:49] And I still love them.

[00:33:51] And I just recently went to the Autobar.

[00:33:54] This was probably like a month ago.

[00:33:56] And I saw the Cro-Mags.

[00:33:58] Well, kind of the Cro-Mags.

[00:34:01] Because they're two different bands now.

[00:34:03] The Cro-Mags.

[00:34:03] I don't know if you know the.

[00:34:04] Yeah.

[00:34:04] But, and then Terror.

[00:34:06] That hardcore band from LA headlined.

[00:34:08] And they were fucking phenomenal.

[00:34:10] And it was funny because they don't let you stage dive at the Autobar.

[00:34:13] There's all these signs like no stage diving.

[00:34:16] But they might have worked out.

[00:34:17] Everybody was stage diving that night.

[00:34:18] And it was funny.

[00:34:20] I took a picture of.

[00:34:22] There's this, there's this like a little kind of balcony section.

[00:34:26] And there's a sign on the balcony section under the stage that says no stage diving.

[00:34:31] And I took a picture.

[00:34:32] This dude was running off.

[00:34:33] He ran off the stage stage dove onto the balcony that grabbed it and was like crawling across on his arms.

[00:34:38] Like right next to the no stage diving sign.

[00:34:41] And I got a picture of him like right when he was next to it.

[00:34:45] But yeah.

[00:34:45] So hardcore.

[00:34:46] I definitely have a special place in my heart for hardcore.

[00:34:49] Gorilla Biscuits are like.

[00:34:51] I saw them for the first time like two years ago in Baltimore.

[00:34:55] Oh, and it was so wild.

[00:34:56] Oh, yeah.

[00:34:57] I was right against the stage.

[00:34:58] My friend, my friend was like, we're going against the stage.

[00:35:00] I'm like, I'm not going against the stage.

[00:35:00] I'm fucking 46.

[00:35:01] I'm not going against the fucking stage.

[00:35:03] Well, I was 45 at the time.

[00:35:04] He's like, we're doing it.

[00:35:05] I was like, fuck it.

[00:35:06] We're doing it.

[00:35:06] So I'm against the stage.

[00:35:07] And they just do like the, you know, they have the trumpets for the first song.

[00:35:12] And it was just people.

[00:35:15] I'm surprised our necks weren't broken, but it was fucking fantastic.

[00:35:19] It was great.

[00:35:20] I've been there before.

[00:35:20] Trust me.

[00:35:21] It's like, you know, boots, elbows, everything's flying around.

[00:35:26] People are crowd surfing to you and stage diving on you.

[00:35:29] It's like non.

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:30] It's fucking nonstop.

[00:35:31] Yeah.

[00:35:33] Yeah.

[00:35:33] Yeah.

[00:35:33] I've kind of chilled out from that, like in my, you know, my, my sort of my golden years.

[00:35:38] I mean, per se, cause I'm just kind of set back.

[00:35:40] Like, you know, even when we play, we played, we played a show and, um, uh, Jesus Christ,

[00:35:45] JB love drafts.

[00:35:46] Um, oh, that's up in Pennsylvania too, right?

[00:35:49] Yeah.

[00:35:49] That's, that's another really cool venue.

[00:35:51] There's this bank.

[00:35:52] There's this fringe bars called orphan.

[00:35:54] They're like really heavy Matthew stuff.

[00:35:55] And like, these kids are just going crazy.

[00:35:56] I'm just like, yeah, I'm going to chill out from this.

[00:35:59] Yeah.

[00:35:59] I like it, but you know, I got, I got like, I got like an elbow to the head.

[00:36:03] And then I was like, ah, you know, you know, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta be able to drive

[00:36:07] home tonight.

[00:36:10] Young man's game.

[00:36:11] You gotta be in your twenties to do that.

[00:36:12] I mean, you don't have to.

[00:36:13] I still enjoy the aggression, but it's like, yeah, you know, yeah.

[00:36:18] Let's take a step back on this one.

[00:36:20] You guys can drive.

[00:36:21] Yeah.

[00:36:21] Pretty much.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] What are you spinning these days?

[00:36:24] So if you get in your car and you're driving somewhere, like say you got an hour drive

[00:36:27] ahead of you, what are you putting on?

[00:36:30] That's tough, man.

[00:36:31] I mean, cause like, you know, Spotify makes that such a weird thing now, but I mean, yeah.

[00:36:35] Yeah.

[00:36:35] I mean, there, there's a band from England called, um, specters that I've been liking a lot.

[00:36:39] Specters.

[00:36:40] Okay.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:41] They're, they're kind of like this kind of noise, Rocky shoegazy kind of thing.

[00:36:44] I'm really kind of impressed with them.

[00:36:46] Um, I've been going back to this, um, this kind of shoegazy kind of noisy band called

[00:36:52] Vivian girls from New York.

[00:36:53] I've been listening to them a little bit.

[00:36:55] Cause I, I'm, I'm really, it's kind of weird because I, I'm, I'm really into the kind of

[00:36:58] like indie rock and like shoegaze stuff otherwise.

[00:37:00] And so I just kind of, I'll just like go through periods of like digging that stuff.

[00:37:04] Yeah.

[00:37:05] Like, um, there's this math rock band called sweep the leg Johnny.

[00:37:08] I've been kind of throwing them on a little bit more just cause I, um, it's like, yeah,

[00:37:12] they're, they're like, sweep the leg Johnny.

[00:37:15] They're, they're really, um, pretty good math rock band for the early 2000s.

[00:37:18] Like we actually played a few shows with them.

[00:37:20] Like, I mean, a previous band a long time ago and they're just like, so ted, so technically

[00:37:24] good.

[00:37:25] And it's just kind of like looking back at that stuff.

[00:37:26] I mean, yeah.

[00:37:28] I mean, I think that's pretty like young widows is in their band I've been listening to a

[00:37:33] lot lately.

[00:37:34] I mean, of course they're a classic band.

[00:37:36] They're not, I mean, they're not too classic, but like early 2000s, mid 2000s.

[00:37:40] Cause that's pretty comprehensive.

[00:37:43] Cool.

[00:37:44] Have you been to any like, uh, shows recently?

[00:37:48] What was your most recent couple of shows you've been to?

[00:37:50] Wow.

[00:37:50] Not including ones you've played.

[00:37:52] Yeah.

[00:37:52] I know.

[00:37:52] I'm trying to remember, man.

[00:37:53] Um, I saw, uh, I went to the, I went to the, I went to the, I went to the

[00:37:58] black cat and I saw, um, when I see, who'd I see, man, this is like a, this is like a

[00:38:04] Supreme commander.

[00:38:05] Of course that we're playing with.

[00:38:06] Oh, nice.

[00:38:06] We played with them.

[00:38:07] The elements played with them once.

[00:38:08] Yeah.

[00:38:09] I saw them play recently.

[00:38:11] We played with them in slash run years ago.

[00:38:13] Yeah.

[00:38:14] Yeah.

[00:38:14] I'm trying to think of the last things I've seen.

[00:38:15] I mean, I, I saw the Desdemonis play somewhat recently.

[00:38:20] Um, they're, they're a band out of DC.

[00:38:22] They're kind of like, um, kind of like soul kind of punk.

[00:38:25] I don't know.

[00:38:26] It's like, you know, it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of

[00:38:28] a thing going on with that.

[00:38:29] Um, I've seen, um, stereo lab play when they came with that.

[00:38:34] That's like totally not punk rock, but I saw stereo.

[00:38:37] I played when they came in their reunion tour a little while back.

[00:38:40] Cool.

[00:38:40] Now that's kind of, that's definitely like way out of the punk rock kind of

[00:38:43] like psychedelic kind of stuff, but I'm in all kinds of crazy stuff, man.

[00:38:47] I listen to jazz, you know, I mean, I don't know.

[00:38:50] I'm just trying to think of stuff I've seen.

[00:38:52] Everybody, everybody should listen to different styles.

[00:38:56] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:38:57] Yeah.

[00:38:57] Oh yeah.

[00:38:58] Yeah.

[00:38:58] Of course.

[00:38:59] Pigeon hauling yourself into like one style of music.

[00:39:02] I find it weird when people do that.

[00:39:04] Like, I only listen to this and I'm like, okay, well like the only, but the only person

[00:39:08] that's losing out is you, man.

[00:39:10] Like, oh yeah.

[00:39:11] I mean, I'm getting influenced by all kinds of things.

[00:39:13] I mean, yeah.

[00:39:14] I mean, all kinds of things.

[00:39:15] I've been listening to jazz my entire life and my dad's a big jazz guy and I've been

[00:39:18] listening to, I listen to classical music and I've listened to Bach and I really like

[00:39:22] losing punk points now.

[00:39:23] I mean, there are punk points, you know, whatever.

[00:39:25] I mean, I listen to that kind of stuff too, man.

[00:39:26] I mean, it's just, it all influences me.

[00:39:28] I mean, even when I, when I'm working, it's a different kind of mode.

[00:39:31] I'm like chilling out and kind of concentrating.

[00:39:33] It's funny when we had, we had Ben Weasel on the show a couple of years ago and, and Ben

[00:39:37] and Matt went into this nerd out of classical music, which I love classical music too.

[00:39:42] It's great.

[00:39:43] I'm into it.

[00:39:44] I mean, that's, that's what my, yeah, that's my, that's another thing.

[00:39:46] My dad influenced me with like, you know, that kind of stuff.

[00:39:48] And yeah, I, I, I listen to like classical music every day, every day, pretty much.

[00:39:53] I listen to like Beethoven's string quartets and stuff, man.

[00:39:56] You know?

[00:39:56] Nice.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:57] It's just, it's something else, you know, it's something that I can, art taking me to

[00:40:00] a different place, you know?

[00:40:01] Yeah.

[00:40:01] The violin is my favorite instrument.

[00:40:03] I can't play it, but as far as an instrument to listen to, the violin is,

[00:40:07] the most, I think it's the most beautiful sounding instrument.

[00:40:10] I can listen to somebody who's good at it all day long.

[00:40:13] It's just an amazing, I wish I could play it.

[00:40:16] Absolutely.

[00:40:17] No doubt.

[00:40:18] Actually, yeah.

[00:40:18] We just had a, a, a punk rock fiddle list, if you will.

[00:40:22] That's right.

[00:40:23] The last week of our episode.

[00:40:25] Yeah.

[00:40:26] Yeah.

[00:40:26] He's, he's been all over the place and played music with all sorts of crazy

[00:40:30] people, man.

[00:40:31] That's right.

[00:40:32] From all, like all genres and walks of life too.

[00:40:35] Yeah.

[00:40:36] That's super cool.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:38] It's awesome.

[00:40:39] There's a band called King Cackle from Charlotte, North Carolina.

[00:40:42] They're like, kind of like doom, like metal, but then they have a fiddle player

[00:40:44] and it kind of works out pretty well.

[00:40:47] That's awesome.

[00:40:48] We, we, we, we, they, we come, we go to North Carolina and play with them

[00:40:50] every once in a while.

[00:40:51] And they're like, like, again, do me kind of tune down to see stuff.

[00:40:53] And then there's a fiddle player.

[00:40:54] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:40:55] That's awesome.

[00:40:55] Like kind of do me kind of like, you know, it works out, you know?

[00:40:58] That's awesome.

[00:40:59] Yeah.

[00:41:00] It's what it is.

[00:41:01] Do you go to, um, Capitals games?

[00:41:03] Oh yeah.

[00:41:04] I mean, I try to go at least two or three a year.

[00:41:06] I mean, I used to go a lot more, but it's just like the thing of like, you know, adulting

[00:41:10] it again, you know, trying to find the time.

[00:41:12] I mean, I live up here and I shouldn't have a big excuse, you know, I mean, I should try

[00:41:16] to go see more this year, but yeah, usually two to three.

[00:41:18] Okay.

[00:41:19] Yeah.

[00:41:19] Yeah.

[00:41:19] It's also, it's also like massively expensive now.

[00:41:23] Yeah.

[00:41:23] I mean, even those days, I mean, you're, it's like about maybe like 90 bucks a ticket or something.

[00:41:28] Really?

[00:41:29] Yeah.

[00:41:30] Even the nosebleeds are like, yeah, it's got, it's pretty, it's pricey.

[00:41:34] And especially this year, if they keep playing well, it's not going to make the prices go down

[00:41:39] any.

[00:41:39] You got that right.

[00:41:41] Well, Hey, that's a good problem to have, right?

[00:41:43] Yeah.

[00:41:43] I had season tickets for five years, actually.

[00:41:47] Wow.

[00:41:47] Back from 09 to 14.

[00:41:49] So I got to see like all the Bruce Boudreau years.

[00:41:52] Wow.

[00:41:53] So a lot of like Ovi's like classic highlights, like playoffs, everything.

[00:41:58] I was, I was at all those games.

[00:42:00] That's cool, man.

[00:42:01] It was, yeah, it was a great, great time in life.

[00:42:05] Great time in life.

[00:42:06] Yeah, definitely.

[00:42:07] I think I only missed two, like, I was talking to somebody about this the other day, actually.

[00:42:12] I'm pretty sure the most games I missed in one season was four.

[00:42:17] Wow.

[00:42:17] So I would go a lot.

[00:42:20] Oh, yeah.

[00:42:20] You live in Arlington?

[00:42:21] No, I lived in Stafford at the time.

[00:42:23] Wow, man.

[00:42:25] That's dedicated.

[00:42:26] That is dedicated.

[00:42:27] You're like on the fucking road, man.

[00:42:28] You're like, you know, like three days, three days a year, like three days a week, two days

[00:42:31] a year.

[00:42:32] You're like, well, I mean, of course, you know, they don't play that much at home.

[00:42:35] But yeah.

[00:42:36] Yeah.

[00:42:37] I lived.

[00:42:37] Well, I mean, I lived like right next to 95.

[00:42:40] Yeah.

[00:42:40] Yeah.

[00:42:40] Like right off of like the Garrisonville exit in Stafford.

[00:42:44] So heading up there, you know, I'd get off at work and get, you know, four o'clock or

[00:42:51] something like that.

[00:42:51] Yeah.

[00:42:52] Yeah.

[00:42:52] And then it was just always like the perfect time to get into D.C. on weekdays.

[00:42:58] Yeah.

[00:42:59] Like I would, I would, I would miss all the traffic.

[00:43:02] And, you know, this is in like, you know, like I said, back in the air of like 2009 to

[00:43:08] 2014.

[00:43:08] Like there wasn't as much traffic back then.

[00:43:12] And so it was always just perfect to get into the city.

[00:43:15] Like I would, I would hardly ever hit traffic and I could, I could hit, I could hit D.C.

[00:43:20] in like 40 minutes.

[00:43:22] Wow.

[00:43:22] Nice.

[00:43:23] Yeah.

[00:43:23] That works out.

[00:43:25] It did.

[00:43:25] It actually worked out great.

[00:43:27] Yeah.

[00:43:29] Like I said, fun times in life.

[00:43:32] I need to try to get back into hockey.

[00:43:34] I was really, really into hockey in high school and college.

[00:43:37] I was a huge Rangers fan and I had a, I had a Rangers.

[00:43:40] I'm in New York.

[00:43:41] My family's from New York.

[00:43:42] So I'm a Mets, Jets and Knicks fanatic.

[00:43:48] And I was a huge Rangers fan.

[00:43:49] I would go to like when the Rangers would come down and play the Cavs, I would go like, you

[00:43:52] know, at least once a year to check them out.

[00:43:54] And like, I was like a, I was a huge Rangers fan when Messier, we won the cup with Messier.

[00:44:02] And well, and then I just fell into love with basketball after that.

[00:44:05] And I just started, I just put all my winter attention to the NBA and mostly college basketball

[00:44:11] too.

[00:44:12] I went to the university of Maryland.

[00:44:13] So I was like a huge Maryland Terrapins fan.

[00:44:15] And my daughter goes to Kentucky now.

[00:44:17] So now I'm a big Kentucky fan who just started their season today and won big with their new

[00:44:22] coach, Mark Pope.

[00:44:23] Shout out Mark Pope.

[00:44:25] But yeah, hockey is a great sport too though.

[00:44:27] Cause it's, it's like soccer.

[00:44:29] It's, you know, people knock soccer all the time, but it's nonstop action.

[00:44:33] Absolutely.

[00:44:34] It's, and the thing that drives me crazy about football, it's like, you know, three to seven

[00:44:39] seconds of action and then like 30 seconds of nothing and people knock soccer.

[00:44:45] It's like, there's no commercials.

[00:44:46] It's 45 minutes of nonstop action.

[00:44:49] Yep.

[00:44:50] And then there's commercials and then there's 45 more minutes of nonstop action.

[00:44:53] Like the closest thing to that, I think the soccer, maybe in basketball too.

[00:45:01] You know, the average time, the average time for an NFL game, you know, it's like about

[00:45:09] three hours or whatever.

[00:45:10] Yeah.

[00:45:11] But the average time that there's actually playing going on on the field is like 11 minutes.

[00:45:17] That's insane.

[00:45:18] Yeah.

[00:45:19] I thought you would say it's 20 to 30, but 11 makes me laugh.

[00:45:22] No, it's like 11 minutes before, man.

[00:45:24] That's that is crazy.

[00:45:26] There's actually like way more ad, ad time during football games than there is actual,

[00:45:32] the actual playing football.

[00:45:34] Yeah.

[00:45:34] That's what I mean.

[00:45:34] Like hockey, basketball, and soccer are definitely the most nonstop action.

[00:45:40] It's the most fun sports to watch.

[00:45:43] Absolutely.

[00:45:44] I love baseball, but come on.

[00:45:46] It's, it's, it's hard.

[00:45:47] It's if you're not a baseball fan, it's hard to get into, but.

[00:45:50] I think baseball live is a lot of fun.

[00:45:52] I can watch like, I can watch on TV.

[00:45:54] Yeah.

[00:45:54] Yeah.

[00:45:55] Perfect.

[00:45:56] It's all cool.

[00:45:57] Unfortunately, I'm a Met fan.

[00:45:58] So I, well, this year was great.

[00:46:01] Right up until it wasn't.

[00:46:03] Well, but I'm not going to be one of those Met fans.

[00:46:05] So many Met fans like fuck the Mets.

[00:46:06] It's like, dude, we barely got into the playoffs and then got to the NLCS.

[00:46:10] Like, fuck you.

[00:46:11] That was awesome.

[00:46:12] The Mets gave me two extra weeks of baseball, which never happens ever.

[00:46:17] So I love the Mets.

[00:46:18] Thank you, Mets, for this season.

[00:46:19] That was great.

[00:46:21] I'm not going to be one of those other asshole fucking Met fans.

[00:46:23] But yeah, whatever.

[00:46:27] Chris, are you, if you follow baseball, are you a Nats fan?

[00:46:31] I'm an O's fan just because like, I mean, I grew up with those.

[00:46:34] Yeah.

[00:46:34] I mean, again, I respect the Nats and I mean, I was excited when they won the World Series

[00:46:38] and I wasn't going to the Nats games, but I'm actually in my heart an O's fan just because

[00:46:41] that's where I grew up.

[00:46:42] I'm not like a rabbit O's fan, but you know, it's just, you know.

[00:46:46] Yeah.

[00:46:47] Yeah.

[00:46:47] Yeah.

[00:46:47] Same.

[00:46:48] I mean, I am a Nats fan.

[00:46:49] I moved over to them, but like, I still love the O's too.

[00:46:53] Cause you know, I grew up with Cal Ripken.

[00:46:56] Like, you know, they're really easy team to like.

[00:47:00] Yeah.

[00:47:01] It's become like sports talk.

[00:47:03] Yeah.

[00:47:03] You know, we, we, we, we, we do that a little bit.

[00:47:05] That's all cool.

[00:47:06] I don't give a damn.

[00:47:07] Especially the O's being in like the Red Sox and Yankees division who are like the

[00:47:11] evil empire.

[00:47:12] Both of those teams.

[00:47:13] So it's, that makes it even easier to like the O's.

[00:47:16] So.

[00:47:16] Oh yeah.

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:19] You want to, uh, you want to get into the other, the questions, Ron?

[00:47:24] Yes.

[00:47:24] I was just about to do that.

[00:47:25] Yeah.

[00:47:25] Yeah.

[00:47:26] Questions.

[00:47:28] Oh yeah.

[00:47:28] Actually these questions.

[00:47:29] Questions.

[00:47:30] The questions.

[00:47:33] Okay.

[00:47:34] There's a couple, there's, there's a couple of fun ones.

[00:47:36] There's a couple of tough ones.

[00:47:38] Yeah.

[00:47:38] Oh no.

[00:47:39] It's four, four questions total.

[00:47:40] So the first one, if you were on death row, what would your final meal be?

[00:47:47] Wow.

[00:47:47] You could have anything you want.

[00:47:50] Even if it was like a grandmother who passed away and you loved her sauce, which is what I

[00:47:54] would pick anything you want your final meal.

[00:47:56] You're on death row.

[00:47:57] You're dying tomorrow.

[00:47:59] Here's your dinner.

[00:48:00] What is it?

[00:48:01] And you can think about it.

[00:48:02] Cause like I said, we had it.

[00:48:03] So probably chicken curry.

[00:48:04] I mean like a perfect chicken curry.

[00:48:05] My, my, my, my, that English upbringing, you know, that could be really done really well.

[00:48:10] I remember those when I was a kid.

[00:48:12] What?

[00:48:13] Well, you know, uh, specifically what kind of curry?

[00:48:16] I'm not, I'm not educated enough.

[00:48:18] I just know that, that, that I just, I just know that it was really good when I had it

[00:48:22] in England.

[00:48:23] It was probably, it was probably Vindaloo butter chicken or tiki masala.

[00:48:31] One of the, does any of that ring a bell?

[00:48:33] Tiki masala is great.

[00:48:35] I mean, all three are amazing.

[00:48:36] I know it was really, really hot.

[00:48:38] I know.

[00:48:38] Yeah.

[00:48:38] I love the hot.

[00:48:40] So yeah.

[00:48:41] Nice.

[00:48:41] Yeah.

[00:48:41] But that's, that, that would probably just like, it's just so gratifying.

[00:48:44] Hell yeah.

[00:48:45] It's probably Vindaloo.

[00:48:45] It's probably Vindaloo then if it was hot.

[00:48:48] Because I think, I think Vindaloo is one that's like supposed to be hot and like tiki

[00:48:53] masala and butter chicken can be hot, but mostly they're made like not hot.

[00:48:57] Yeah.

[00:48:57] I don't know.

[00:48:58] At least in America.

[00:48:59] Well, I remember like when I was, when I was in England, like there would like be these

[00:49:03] manly competitions, like literally like who can stand the most curry.

[00:49:06] Nice.

[00:49:07] Like these guys would be like sweating and stuff.

[00:49:09] Hell yeah.

[00:49:10] It was actually like a thing.

[00:49:12] It's just an odd thing, man.

[00:49:14] That's awesome.

[00:49:15] Yeah.

[00:49:15] Yeah.

[00:49:17] All right.

[00:49:18] Second question, which is kind of similar to the first.

[00:49:22] What is your favorite cereal?

[00:49:25] Wow.

[00:49:27] I guess just like shredded wheat.

[00:49:28] I mean, it's just like this.

[00:49:29] Jesus Christ.

[00:49:30] That's the worst answer.

[00:49:31] I'm just kidding.

[00:49:33] It's just because it's super practical.

[00:49:35] I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but it's like, fuck.

[00:49:37] I mean, I'm at work and I'm like, I mean, I got to eat lunch.

[00:49:40] I have nothing.

[00:49:41] I can just throw shredded wheat into something.

[00:49:43] And plus I mean, like my British upbringing.

[00:49:46] I mean, yeah.

[00:49:46] I mean, you know, I guess it doesn't matter what it tastes like.

[00:49:49] I mean, that's just, you know, the bullshit.

[00:49:51] Might even like frosted mini wheats, like just shredded wheat.

[00:49:54] Yeah.

[00:49:54] Sure.

[00:49:54] We, man.

[00:49:55] It's like, it's like, you can just put that on anything, like, you know, and like make

[00:49:57] a bunch out of it.

[00:49:58] Cause like I'm always busy at work running around and yeah.

[00:50:01] I just kind of a weird, weird, like, I mean, Verdak staple.

[00:50:05] I mean, cause I, I, I'm kind of my own character for a lot of people.

[00:50:08] Like, cause I'm kind of a little eccentric.

[00:50:10] And so if you just call me, it's like a Verdak-ism as my last.

[00:50:13] Yeah.

[00:50:14] Okay.

[00:50:15] It's like, yeah.

[00:50:16] You don't have a shredded wheat and like, yeah.

[00:50:18] Some boiled chicken.

[00:50:20] All right.

[00:50:20] That's cool.

[00:50:21] That's cool.

[00:50:22] It's a little weird, but it's all good.

[00:50:23] Yeah.

[00:50:25] That's why we asked that question.

[00:50:26] Cause like, yeah, it's like, what the fuck?

[00:50:28] Well, no, it always, it always ends up making for good conversation.

[00:50:32] Like, yeah.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:33] Like people get crazy about cereal.

[00:50:36] I took a picture.

[00:50:37] I bought, let me show you guys this picture because I forgot to post it online, but Matt

[00:50:42] will appreciate this.

[00:50:44] Um, I'm a huge Fruity Pebbles fan.

[00:50:47] Um, as a, as a real American should be, um, it's the worst and most unhealthy thing of

[00:50:53] all time, but check out every, I always see this one dies and shit.

[00:50:57] Yeah.

[00:50:58] The winter, winter, winter has Fruity Pebbles with marshmallows.

[00:51:01] Is that for real?

[00:51:02] Oh, it is for real.

[00:51:03] I ate it last night and I made me, it made me vomit right away.

[00:51:06] Mostly because I overate.

[00:51:08] Wow.

[00:51:09] I ate a giant bowl of it and then went and puked, but it was delicious.

[00:51:12] I'm going to have another bowl tonight after this.

[00:51:14] Probably.

[00:51:15] Yeah.

[00:51:15] Yeah.

[00:51:16] Um, binge and purge.

[00:51:17] Fruity Pebbles with marshmallows is a bit much.

[00:51:20] I will say that I'll probably avoid the marshmallows in it tonight, but there you go.

[00:51:26] Sugar with sugar.

[00:51:27] Maybe you'll vomit again.

[00:51:28] Different forms of sugar.

[00:51:30] Two types of sugar.

[00:51:31] That'd be too much for me, dude.

[00:51:32] That'd be like.

[00:51:33] It is a lot.

[00:51:33] It's, it's, it's a bit much.

[00:51:35] Yeah.

[00:51:35] Same.

[00:51:37] That's when I took a picture of it in the store and then I like, I, I snuck it into

[00:51:41] our, I was with my wife when we were growing up.

[00:51:42] I was grocery shopping and I kind of snuck it into the cart and we were in line paying for

[00:51:46] stuff.

[00:51:47] And she's like, how did this get in here?

[00:51:47] I was like, just swipe the fucking box.

[00:51:50] Yeah.

[00:51:51] We're getting that.

[00:51:52] Um, all right.

[00:51:53] Third question.

[00:51:54] Oh, this is where it gets tough.

[00:51:56] Yeah.

[00:51:57] Okay.

[00:51:57] So, so science is wonderful and science actually does this now.

[00:52:02] So if you, if you decide, if you pass away and you decide to be cremated, um, one

[00:52:06] of the things you can do with your ashes is you could actually form it into a vinyl

[00:52:10] record of your choice.

[00:52:11] Wow.

[00:52:11] And they do this now.

[00:52:12] So if you were to have your ashes eternalized in a vinyl record of your choice, which album

[00:52:18] would you pick?

[00:52:19] And it has to be an album that exists.

[00:52:21] You can't just make up some weird comp, but so which album would Chris's ashes?

[00:52:28] That's incredible.

[00:52:29] End up in.

[00:52:30] Wow.

[00:52:31] Hmm.

[00:52:35] Damn.

[00:52:45] No pressure.

[00:52:47] It's an imperfect kind of like record.

[00:52:50] It's not, it's not, you know, whatever, but, um, the album Sonic Youth Sister.

[00:52:54] Okay.

[00:52:54] Um, that, that album like just kind of like impressed me.

[00:52:57] Like what, what, what, what could like music do?

[00:53:01] Yeah.

[00:53:01] Like what, what could avant-garde music do?

[00:53:03] What, what, what, what, how, how, how, how weird could you get with noises and stuff?

[00:53:06] I mean, of course it's not the most craziest record that ever was made.

[00:53:09] Sonic Youth has probably done better records, but that's that golden period of my life where

[00:53:14] I was like, holy shit.

[00:53:15] You know, you can make guitar sound like that.

[00:53:17] You can write a weird song like that.

[00:53:18] Yeah.

[00:53:18] So it'd probably be that album Sonic Youth Sister.

[00:53:21] Um, you know, cause I've never been having that vinyl and that crazy cover and shit.

[00:53:26] I don't know.

[00:53:26] Yeah.

[00:53:26] Yeah.

[00:53:27] It's kind of landmark for me.

[00:53:28] So I'll go with that.

[00:53:30] All right.

[00:53:30] Cool.

[00:53:30] It's, it's funny.

[00:53:31] Cause like Sonic Youth is such like, I wasn't when I was, I wasn't really, I never really

[00:53:36] got into Sonic Youth, but my girlfriend at the time when I was in high school was a

[00:53:39] huge Sonic Youth fan and I had a lot of friends who were, and I don't think that we've

[00:53:43] ever even talked about Sonic Youth on this podcast ever until tonight with you

[00:53:48] on the podcast.

[00:53:51] I don't even know if that band has ever, ever been in the 220 episodes we've done.

[00:53:57] Wow.

[00:53:57] This might be the first time that Sonic Youth has been mentioned on this podcast.

[00:54:00] I think you're right, actually.

[00:54:02] Yeah.

[00:54:03] So that is a good album though, Chris.

[00:54:05] Sister's a great album.

[00:54:08] Yes.

[00:54:08] I mean, Sonic Youth to me is, I mean, in that golden period of time, I mean, you know,

[00:54:13] they really were just like an incredible, like inspiration in terms of, I mean, there are,

[00:54:17] I mean, in that golden period, they were extremely aggressive, but live.

[00:54:20] They were not a live band.

[00:54:21] They were really like, just like fucking like, just, you know, knock you over like

[00:54:25] with feedback and just like, just like mayhem.

[00:54:28] Like they're just pretty much like, like a mission.

[00:54:30] They were just kind of crazy about that period.

[00:54:32] Yeah.

[00:54:32] I mean, it was like the most like, I mean, they're, they're, they came from hardcore.

[00:54:36] They had the aggression of hardcore.

[00:54:37] They just wanted like, how can you make this even more noisy and more like dissonant

[00:54:40] and like, and more just like, you know, kind of like losing their shit, you know, per se.

[00:54:44] But then of course they got more mellow as time went on.

[00:54:46] Of course that, you know, whatever.

[00:54:49] Yeah.

[00:54:50] I mean, most bands do.

[00:54:51] Yeah.

[00:54:52] Yeah.

[00:54:52] I mean, you can't just be like that.

[00:54:53] You know, we're going to blow your head off like band.

[00:54:55] I mean, of course, even like that album, the album's sister has some calmer moments,

[00:55:00] you know, of course.

[00:55:01] Yeah.

[00:55:02] Kind of like gentle, almost beautiful haunting shit.

[00:55:04] And, you know, it's all over the place.

[00:55:07] When did that come out?

[00:55:08] I'm looking it up right now.

[00:55:09] 1987.

[00:55:09] Yeah.

[00:55:10] 87.

[00:55:10] Yeah.

[00:55:11] Yeah.

[00:55:12] Cool.

[00:55:13] SST records.

[00:55:14] Yeah.

[00:55:15] Yeah.

[00:55:15] Yeah.

[00:55:16] I haven't, I actually haven't listened to Sonic Youth in quite a long time.

[00:55:20] I think that might happen again tomorrow.

[00:55:22] Yeah.

[00:55:22] I think I may be jamming some Sonic Youth.

[00:55:24] Yeah.

[00:55:25] From Evel to probably about the album Dirty.

[00:55:28] I mean, that's that golden period of it.

[00:55:30] It was classic albums in a row.

[00:55:32] I mean, they really just groundbreaking stuff.

[00:55:33] I mean, yeah.

[00:55:35] In my esteemed opinion.

[00:55:36] So.

[00:55:36] Yeah.

[00:55:36] That's cool.

[00:55:37] Well, no, I mean, you're not wrong.

[00:55:38] You're not wrong at all.

[00:55:39] Well, no.

[00:55:39] Yeah.

[00:55:40] Per se.

[00:55:41] All right.

[00:55:42] Last question is, who is on your Mount Rushmore of punk rock?

[00:55:47] You get five people.

[00:55:48] You get the Mount Rushmore and the crazy horse.

[00:55:51] So you get five people total.

[00:55:53] Wow.

[00:55:55] And it doesn't have to be, you know, we've had so many crazy, you know, we've had little Richard.

[00:56:01] We've had all sorts of crazy people as answers.

[00:56:05] So I say, we say Mount Rushmore of punk rock, but, you know.

[00:56:09] Do you mean like literal, like one person?

[00:56:12] Like it has to be a person?

[00:56:13] People.

[00:56:13] Not like a band.

[00:56:14] Right.

[00:56:14] A person?

[00:56:15] Yeah.

[00:56:15] Yeah.

[00:56:15] I guess I'll start with, wow.

[00:56:17] That's tough, man.

[00:56:18] I guess I'll start with like maybe Peter Hook.

[00:56:20] He's going to be up there.

[00:56:21] I said, that's kind of a weird choice.

[00:56:23] I mean, of course, New Order is not punk rock.

[00:56:25] I mean, we know that.

[00:56:25] Yeah.

[00:56:26] But Georgia Vision to me, like, and I was, you know, when I was really young, was like

[00:56:30] really influential.

[00:56:31] Like, you know, and just like, you know, just like when I was certainly learning to play

[00:56:35] music, you know, like, you know how to play bass.

[00:56:36] And, you know, it's like the idea of like bass, like being almost like the central instrument

[00:56:41] and how he approached the bass is definitely with Georgia Vision because New Order became

[00:56:45] like really dance pop.

[00:56:47] Right.

[00:56:48] You know, I mean, there's some great New Order songs, but yeah.

[00:56:50] But definitely Peter Hook with like, when he was playing with Georgia Vision is on Mount

[00:56:55] Rushmore for me.

[00:56:56] Cool.

[00:56:57] He says number one.

[00:56:58] All right.

[00:56:59] Not maybe in order, but you know, he's on there.

[00:57:02] Yeah.

[00:57:02] Yeah.

[00:57:03] That's why this is tough.

[00:57:05] This is very tough, dude.

[00:57:06] Is it tough?

[00:57:07] It's like this question and the one before this are, we always get a lot of times Matt

[00:57:11] or I will get like an email or a text from somebody be like, I misspoke.

[00:57:16] I should have said this person or they sleep on it.

[00:57:18] And they're like, I can't believe I forgot to say this.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] Yeah.

[00:57:22] Wow.

[00:57:22] This is really tough, dude.

[00:57:24] So basically this guy named Justin Trostper, he's a guy, he's a guitar player from Unwound.

[00:57:31] You ever heard of Unwound before?

[00:57:33] They're out of Washington State.

[00:57:37] They're a big like kind of kind of like, I guess, I mean, now that we call it noise rock,

[00:57:44] but Unwound is probably one of the most interesting three piece like kind of noise rock post-hardcore

[00:57:50] bands.

[00:57:51] I'm really familiar with.

[00:57:52] I mean, the way he approached guitars is like, it's really cool with like taking that

[00:57:57] kind of like the sonic euthugazi thing, but like throwing it in a kind of a more interesting

[00:58:02] kind of, well, not even more interesting, but kind of a cool direction.

[00:58:06] Cool.

[00:58:06] So yeah.

[00:58:07] Justin Trostper of Unwound.

[00:58:09] He's on Mount Rushmore and the rest of the band is great too, but yeah.

[00:58:13] Unwound is definitely a big influence on Death Ride.

[00:58:16] I also want to say like one of the, one of the things I love about doing this podcast

[00:58:19] is when people tell me about bands I've never heard of before.

[00:58:23] And you've told me about three, at least tonight.

[00:58:25] That's cool.

[00:58:26] So thank you.

[00:58:26] And I'm very excited to check them out.

[00:58:28] So I know Matt feels the same way about that too, because I know Matt checks out bands

[00:58:33] too.

[00:58:34] Yeah.

[00:58:35] It's hard to, it's hard to say a band that the punk rock rain man hasn't heard of,

[00:58:40] but when he has.

[00:58:41] I kind of come from a little bit of a different direction with like noise rock and push hardcore

[00:58:44] and all that kind of weird stuff.

[00:58:46] I mean, you know, it's like a little bit of a left field kind of thing, you know?

[00:58:49] Yeah.

[00:58:49] Right.

[00:58:50] Whatever.

[00:58:50] I mean, I don't know whatever you want to call it, but I mean, it's all, it's all one

[00:58:53] beautiful, like kind of thing, man.

[00:58:54] Totally.

[00:58:55] It's totally, I mean, whatever, it doesn't matter.

[00:58:56] Yeah.

[00:58:57] This is really tough to think about like these brown mushroom things.

[00:59:00] Goddamn, dude.

[00:59:01] This is tough.

[00:59:01] You got three more.

[00:59:03] Goddamn.

[00:59:05] I told you there was a couple of tough ones and a couple of tons.

[00:59:09] Yeah.

[00:59:10] I'll say Joe Lally from Fugazi is up there.

[00:59:14] Okay.

[00:59:15] Because he's just, I mean, his baselines are just, you know,

[00:59:19] so influential.

[00:59:21] Yeah.

[00:59:21] I know it's accomplished.

[00:59:22] Fugazi's great.

[00:59:23] Oh, hell yeah.

[00:59:23] They are a great band.

[00:59:24] I mean, they are a great band.

[00:59:25] I mean, obviously, I mean, it's massively influenced by them, but his,

[00:59:28] his baselines are just like so well thought out and just like, I mean,

[00:59:32] if you listen to a lot of Fugazi songs, you really, you kind of,

[00:59:34] the baseline makes the song.

[00:59:36] Of course, I'm very biased.

[00:59:37] I mean, just think of Waiting Room.

[00:59:38] And when you think of Waiting Room, it's like, that's,

[00:59:40] everybody, everybody knows that baseline right away.

[00:59:42] Yeah.

[00:59:43] I mean, again, I mean, it's a, it's a sum of the parts, but I mean,

[00:59:45] I think just the bass player, he's up there just because his,

[00:59:48] his baselines are so well-constructed and so influential.

[00:59:51] I mean, every time I get stuck with, I'm playing bass or honestly,

[00:59:55] this is from Dada Nojia, I get stuck playing bass.

[00:59:56] I'm writing a song.

[00:59:58] I'll stick on a few Fugazi songs.

[00:59:59] I'm like, how would he approach that?

[01:00:00] And I kind of go, oh yeah.

[01:00:02] I mean, it just happens a lot.

[01:00:04] I kind of,

[01:00:05] I kind of would have been disappointed if you very specifically left

[01:00:08] somebody from Fugazi out of this.

[01:00:11] Yeah.

[01:00:14] Yeah.

[01:00:14] I mean, they're pretty influential.

[01:00:15] I mean, I know that's a cliche, but I mean, they're,

[01:00:17] they're massively influential.

[01:00:18] I mean, because I mean,

[01:00:19] the thing about Fugazi is interesting.

[01:00:20] There's a reason for it.

[01:00:21] Hmm?

[01:00:22] Yeah.

[01:00:22] There's a reason for it.

[01:00:23] There's a reason for it.

[01:00:24] Yeah.

[01:00:24] Yeah.

[01:00:25] It can,

[01:00:25] it is a cliche in a way because there's a lot of people that like,

[01:00:28] you know,

[01:00:29] I'm not sure like, you know,

[01:00:30] this is one of the ones that say,

[01:00:31] there's a lot of sort of cursory Fugazi fans and it's,

[01:00:33] it's totally fine.

[01:00:34] Again, I'm not, I mean, Fugazi is great.

[01:00:36] You know,

[01:00:37] be your Fugazi fan,

[01:00:38] but it's like,

[01:00:39] it's weird because like,

[01:00:40] you know,

[01:00:40] like they don't like,

[01:00:41] they know the rest of the catalog.

[01:00:43] It's almost like,

[01:00:43] you know,

[01:00:43] there's a few like,

[01:00:45] cool Fugazi songs.

[01:00:46] Again,

[01:00:46] I don't mean to be a dick when I say that,

[01:00:48] but like,

[01:00:48] you know,

[01:00:49] like go listen to,

[01:00:50] you know,

[01:00:50] like the album,

[01:00:51] say I have nothing.

[01:00:52] It's like,

[01:00:52] just take that whole album in and go,

[01:00:53] damn,

[01:00:53] this is fucking really good.

[01:00:55] I mean,

[01:00:56] that's just me.

[01:00:56] I mean,

[01:00:57] I don't want to be an elite ass or something,

[01:00:59] you know?

[01:00:59] It's like,

[01:01:00] I don't listen to you guys.

[01:01:01] You know,

[01:01:02] there's a reason why Waiting Room.

[01:01:05] No,

[01:01:06] that's a good song.

[01:01:06] It is.

[01:01:08] Made fucking,

[01:01:08] uh,

[01:01:10] Rolling Stones list of the top 100 songs of all time.

[01:01:14] Yeah.

[01:01:15] Like it was like,

[01:01:15] it was like one of the very few,

[01:01:17] like,

[01:01:17] you know,

[01:01:19] Plus we're all,

[01:01:20] all three of us are DC kids.

[01:01:21] So that the pride runs deep,

[01:01:23] you know what I mean?

[01:01:23] That's like,

[01:01:24] like if I made a list of,

[01:01:27] yeah.

[01:01:28] Yeah.

[01:01:29] If,

[01:01:29] if I made a list of,

[01:01:30] of my top 100 songs of all time,

[01:01:35] like Waiting Room would probably be in the top five,

[01:01:39] if not at the number one position.

[01:01:42] And it's not because I think Waiting Room is,

[01:01:44] is my favorite song of all time,

[01:01:47] but it's just like that song defined.

[01:01:50] Like it means a lot of genre and absolutely.

[01:01:54] and it's so influential and like,

[01:01:56] it did a lot of things for,

[01:01:58] for music,

[01:01:59] especially in the punk genre and all the sub genres that came out of it.

[01:02:04] Absolutely.

[01:02:04] Post hardcore,

[01:02:05] all that shit.

[01:02:06] Yeah.

[01:02:06] Like,

[01:02:06] absolutely.

[01:02:07] Like I would feel,

[01:02:08] I would feel,

[01:02:09] even though it is cliche,

[01:02:10] I would feel shitty if I didn't put it there.

[01:02:13] Yeah.

[01:02:14] Yeah.

[01:02:15] Because of that.

[01:02:16] I mean,

[01:02:16] yeah.

[01:02:16] I mean,

[01:02:17] I like,

[01:02:18] I can't even say my favorite guys or something,

[01:02:20] but I,

[01:02:20] something like smallpox champion comes to mind.

[01:02:22] Whenever He Return comes to mind.

[01:02:24] I mean,

[01:02:24] there's always like song,

[01:02:25] but he gives the fun,

[01:02:25] but you know what I'm saying?

[01:02:27] But so what,

[01:02:28] but you know,

[01:02:29] yeah,

[01:02:29] but they're,

[01:02:29] they're a big influence.

[01:02:30] Wow.

[01:02:30] I mean,

[01:02:31] he's not Rushmore thing.

[01:02:32] He's like a league.

[01:02:33] Wow.

[01:02:33] Damn.

[01:02:34] This is tough.

[01:02:34] Still got two more.

[01:02:35] I got two more.

[01:02:37] You got three so far.

[01:02:38] Yeah.

[01:02:39] Wow.

[01:02:39] This is tough,

[01:02:39] man.

[01:02:40] I'm basically after like,

[01:02:41] he's kind of like,

[01:02:41] you know,

[01:02:42] I don't want to just like,

[01:02:42] you know,

[01:02:43] this is tough.

[01:02:44] I guess I'll,

[01:02:45] I'll also lean into my shoegazer,

[01:02:47] you know,

[01:02:48] kind of thing.

[01:02:49] And maybe go Kevin Shields from my bad downtime.

[01:02:52] Okay.

[01:02:52] Okay.

[01:02:53] Cause it's like,

[01:02:55] again,

[01:02:56] it's like,

[01:02:56] cause I,

[01:02:56] I really influenced by shoegaze music.

[01:02:58] I've barely been doing into shoegaze music ever since that.

[01:03:01] It said,

[01:03:01] you know,

[01:03:01] that kind of initial period,

[01:03:02] 1988 and so on.

[01:03:04] And it's just like the sound of it.

[01:03:05] It was just like,

[01:03:06] just so in his approach to like kind of bending the guitar and making it

[01:03:10] some of this washed out,

[01:03:12] like this weird kind of abstract thing.

[01:03:14] I mean,

[01:03:14] I think it's really cool.

[01:03:15] And like the sheer volume of it,

[01:03:18] like it's just,

[01:03:19] it's just,

[01:03:19] you know,

[01:03:19] in a way,

[01:03:20] like the whole band is like,

[01:03:22] you know,

[01:03:22] my late Valentine is just interesting,

[01:03:24] you know,

[01:03:24] cause like they,

[01:03:25] it's essentially like a lot of times it's like these pop songs,

[01:03:28] but they just get all noisy and fucked up and like,

[01:03:30] you know,

[01:03:30] all this reverb and like,

[01:03:32] I don't know.

[01:03:33] It's interesting to be like,

[01:03:34] kind of like a little bit of almost bubblegum pop with like noise and

[01:03:38] all this intense reverb on top of it.

[01:03:40] I think it's just really kind of cool.

[01:03:41] I mean,

[01:03:41] I think shoegaze in general is interesting.

[01:03:43] Yeah.

[01:03:44] That's,

[01:03:44] you know,

[01:03:45] influential to me.

[01:03:47] No,

[01:03:48] this is still tough,

[01:03:48] man.

[01:03:50] And only one more.

[01:03:51] I'm going to go to hell.

[01:03:52] Who's the last person worthy of your.

[01:03:55] God damn,

[01:03:56] this is hard.

[01:03:58] I'm going to have to like put like,

[01:04:00] um,

[01:04:00] I,

[01:04:00] I,

[01:04:01] I don't know,

[01:04:01] but the tie is actually allowed.

[01:04:04] So it's tough,

[01:04:05] man.

[01:04:06] It's going to be John Coltrane or miles Davis,

[01:04:09] um,

[01:04:09] on that much more because it's so tough,

[01:04:12] man.

[01:04:12] Cause they're so both so damn amazing and brilliant.

[01:04:14] So in the different ways,

[01:04:16] but I guess.

[01:04:19] Well,

[01:04:20] I guess I'll put miles Davis on top there because he's the one that I guess is

[01:04:22] maybe a little bit more influential.

[01:04:24] I mean,

[01:04:25] there's that golden period in the sixties and you know,

[01:04:27] where,

[01:04:27] you know,

[01:04:27] he was just,

[01:04:28] I mean,

[01:04:28] he,

[01:04:28] he miles Davis was definitely not the best person in the world.

[01:04:31] He's done some,

[01:04:32] he,

[01:04:32] he,

[01:04:33] he was,

[01:04:33] you know,

[01:04:34] he wasn't the best guy in the world,

[01:04:35] but is it in the sixties,

[01:04:37] especially with Michael Jackson.

[01:04:38] Yeah.

[01:04:38] Yeah.

[01:04:39] And like in that classic period,

[01:04:40] he put out so many great albums and it's like this,

[01:04:43] it's just like he,

[01:04:44] that the people that are around him and the people that he chose to play with

[01:04:46] them.

[01:04:47] I mean,

[01:04:47] it was,

[01:04:48] it was just really cool.

[01:04:50] I mean,

[01:04:50] I basically see like the,

[01:04:52] in some of that jazz,

[01:04:53] I see the aggression of like even punk in that and hardcore.

[01:04:57] It's like that.

[01:04:57] There's just,

[01:04:58] there's like really just going and going,

[01:04:59] going at it with their instruments.

[01:05:00] There's,

[01:05:01] there's like this,

[01:05:01] like this searching and probing.

[01:05:03] And it's just,

[01:05:04] there's this purity to it.

[01:05:05] You know,

[01:05:05] it's just like,

[01:05:05] it just,

[01:05:06] it kind of takes me like,

[01:05:08] like sometimes those albums take me to places like other places,

[01:05:10] like there's really unique places for me,

[01:05:12] like musically,

[01:05:13] you know,

[01:05:14] that's cool.

[01:05:14] Like,

[01:05:14] I don't know,

[01:05:15] like there's an album called mile smile from 1966,

[01:05:18] you know,

[01:05:18] it's like a really classic term that that's kind of like a little bit more

[01:05:23] for our fusion,

[01:05:23] kind of pushing acoustic jazz,

[01:05:25] like,

[01:05:25] like as far as you can go with it.

[01:05:27] And of course,

[01:05:27] John Coltrane went a little bit further in terms of abstraction,

[01:05:30] like even like Russian.

[01:05:32] I mean,

[01:05:32] like you hear like,

[01:05:33] and I'm cheating a little bit,

[01:05:35] you hear like John Coltrane plays some of those solos,

[01:05:37] like,

[01:05:37] you know,

[01:05:38] and like,

[01:05:38] you know,

[01:05:38] that mid sixties period,

[01:05:39] you know,

[01:05:40] you know,

[01:05:41] avant-garde period,

[01:05:41] like before he died,

[01:05:42] he's just,

[01:05:43] he's just like almost like blowing the fucking thing off.

[01:05:45] I mean,

[01:05:45] it's like,

[01:05:46] he's like trying to play so many notes.

[01:05:48] He's just going,

[01:05:48] he's just going crazy.

[01:05:50] Maybe it's controlled chaos.

[01:05:51] I mean,

[01:05:51] it's like,

[01:05:52] remember it was like spiritual.

[01:05:53] He's like,

[01:05:53] just trying to find like some deeper truth or something with it.

[01:05:56] I mean,

[01:05:56] it's,

[01:05:57] he's listening to like how he played that there,

[01:05:58] there's solos back then.

[01:05:59] I mean,

[01:06:00] it's kind of,

[01:06:01] in a way it's a little bit like self-indulgent in a way,

[01:06:07] I'm going to throw all these notes at you.

[01:06:08] And it's like,

[01:06:08] it's just like,

[01:06:09] I don't know.

[01:06:11] That's great.

[01:06:11] So it's funny because the first four people you've,

[01:06:14] you picked have never been picked before.

[01:06:18] Those are four original picks for sure.

[01:06:20] I think I could be wrong,

[01:06:22] but I think Miles Davis might have been picked by Bill Stevenson.

[01:06:28] Okay.

[01:06:29] On his Bound Rush for a punk rock.

[01:06:31] That's cool.

[01:06:32] I don't know for sure if it,

[01:06:33] I'm not Matt.

[01:06:35] What do you think?

[01:06:35] Did he pick Miles Davis as one of his?

[01:06:38] Yeah.

[01:06:39] I think he might be right.

[01:06:40] He was very jazz heavy in his selections.

[01:06:45] Did he?

[01:06:45] So you and Bill Stevenson,

[01:06:47] the drummer of the Descendants.

[01:06:48] That's not a bad,

[01:06:49] that's not a,

[01:06:50] that's not bad company at all.

[01:06:51] Not bad company at all.

[01:06:53] He's definitely a little more famous than I am.

[01:06:54] So slightly.

[01:06:56] I'll claim that.

[01:06:58] I think John Coltrane has been picked by somebody as well.

[01:07:02] I just can't.

[01:07:03] That was a little bit of a cheat.

[01:07:05] You know,

[01:07:06] but your first four have definitely not been picked.

[01:07:08] That's cool.

[01:07:09] So they're definitely originals.

[01:07:12] But if Miles Davis was picked before that,

[01:07:15] it was by Bill Stevenson.

[01:07:16] That's cool.

[01:07:17] Yeah.

[01:07:18] 100%.

[01:07:18] It was.

[01:07:19] If it was.

[01:07:20] If it was.

[01:07:21] Yeah.

[01:07:21] If not,

[01:07:22] it's totally original.

[01:07:23] So yeah.

[01:07:24] Awesome.

[01:07:25] So what do you guys have coming up and where can people find you?

[01:07:29] Well,

[01:07:29] basically,

[01:07:30] like I said,

[01:07:31] I mean,

[01:07:31] when it's,

[01:07:31] when this actually comes out,

[01:07:32] you know,

[01:07:33] this may be out Sunday.

[01:07:34] Yeah.

[01:07:35] Yeah.

[01:07:35] So yeah.

[01:07:36] Well,

[01:07:36] actually,

[01:07:36] you know,

[01:07:37] the,

[01:07:37] the,

[01:07:37] the,

[01:07:37] the next show is going to be the one,

[01:07:39] the one that you can advertise for is going to be,

[01:07:43] Friday,

[01:07:44] November 15th at reclaim arcade.

[01:07:46] Cool.

[01:07:47] With walk the plank and subbing commander.

[01:07:48] That's the one,

[01:07:49] you know,

[01:07:49] we're trying to push,

[01:07:50] but there's more stuff coming in 2025.

[01:07:52] Like you were going to play at skid row garage again.

[01:07:54] We didn't.

[01:07:54] Nice.

[01:07:55] Yeah.

[01:07:55] We got some things coming up for enrichment more in 2025.

[01:07:58] We kind of just skipped the holiday period.

[01:08:01] Yeah.

[01:08:01] There's a,

[01:08:01] there's a bunch of stuff with the coming up with that.

[01:08:04] And then like the new album,

[01:08:06] likely spring 2025,

[01:08:09] of course,

[01:08:09] you know,

[01:08:10] we,

[01:08:10] you know,

[01:08:10] you can find our link tree.

[01:08:12] You can,

[01:08:12] you know,

[01:08:12] Facebook,

[01:08:13] Instagram,

[01:08:13] all that stuff that everybody knows about.

[01:08:15] And of course,

[01:08:16] you know,

[01:08:16] please like us on Spotify,

[01:08:17] but of course,

[01:08:18] I mean,

[01:08:20] Spotify is like a fucking mystery,

[01:08:21] you know,

[01:08:22] it is.

[01:08:23] It's a big payola thing.

[01:08:24] Like,

[01:08:24] you know,

[01:08:24] whatever it's long discussion,

[01:08:25] but yeah,

[01:08:26] but it's a good place to find people.

[01:08:28] So yeah,

[01:08:28] exactly.

[01:08:28] Yeah.

[01:08:29] Totally.

[01:08:31] All right,

[01:08:31] Chris.

[01:08:32] thanks so much for doing this,

[01:08:32] man.

[01:08:33] Yeah.

[01:08:33] I know it's late and I appreciate it.

[01:08:34] Yeah.

[01:08:35] It's a lot of fun.

[01:08:35] Take care.

[01:08:35] Get some sleep.

[01:08:36] And absolutely.

[01:08:38] Yeah.

[01:08:38] Thanks so much.

[01:08:39] Yeah.

[01:08:40] Take care,

[01:08:40] man.

[01:08:42] Later.

[01:08:43] Right,

[01:08:43] man.

[01:08:44] Later.

[01:12:45] I can still hear you.

[01:12:47] All right.

[01:12:48] So what,

[01:12:48] what do I have to press?

[01:12:50] Close.