Trev Allen, Struggling Artist Pod

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[00:02:53] Nothing but alright. So tonight we're talking to Trev Allen of struggling artist podcast

[00:02:59] Yeah

[00:02:59] Yeah

[00:03:00] Good friend of good friend of the show Brie

[00:03:04] Yeah, a good friend of a good friend of the show. That's a good way to put it

[00:03:07] Yes, I'm actually a little bit excited for this one because

[00:03:12] He seems to do good work over there with his podcast and then we're gonna go on his his podcast next week

[00:03:17] Yeah, I always like cross-platform and people it's fun. Hell. Yeah, I love yeah, you know somebody else that have like I

[00:03:25] Don't have to prepare anything. I just sit back and yeah

[00:03:28] Yeah

[00:03:31] Just sit back and be Italian

[00:03:36] I'm not perverted. I'm just Italian

[00:03:41] Governor Cuomo

[00:03:43] Not even a joke of the century

[00:03:50] I still can't believe you said that shit

[00:03:52] I think it ranks you have four score in seven years ago and then I'm not perverted. I'm just Italian

[00:03:59] It's funny too because like the entire the entire world outside of Italians

[00:04:03] We're like what the fuck and all Italians were just like yeah, that's it. I've said that so many times finally

[00:04:12] Finally somebody with a major platform

[00:04:17] He really gets us

[00:04:19] One of us

[00:04:20] I Travis in the room. I'm gonna let him in what's going on

[00:04:28] Fucking freeze my ass up up here in New England. Yeah, how what's the temperature right now? Oh, I don't know probably 30

[00:04:36] I don't like cold weather. I grew up. I grew up in New England and I fucking hate the cold so I

[00:04:41] Grew up in Virginia and I hate the humidity so we have

[00:04:46] No, like humidity either God. We like to punish ourselves

[00:04:49] Yeah

[00:04:50] Are you in Massachusetts? Yeah, yep, right? It's getting up where you are now too

[00:04:56] Where up here summer in the summers. Yeah. Oh, it's always been humid here. Well, but my aunt and uncle

[00:05:03] bought a house in

[00:05:04] Acton Boxborough. Mm-hmm back in I want to say it was

[00:05:10] like 1984 maybe and

[00:05:14] They never had AC in their house up until like

[00:05:18] Like five six years ago. Oh, yeah, it's been weird. Yeah, it has like the weather like the climate change I guess, you know what I mean

[00:05:28] Yeah, I know like when I first moved into this place like we would get we were in like a snow belt

[00:05:32] We get hammered with snow all the time last year. I didn't have to shovel once

[00:05:37] So, yeah, oh wow, that's great. That's pretty crazy for Massachusetts. Yeah

[00:05:42] You a sports fan

[00:05:46] Sometimes sometimes. Yeah, I

[00:05:48] I mean, I was the Red Sox fans until I was you know, two or three years old

[00:05:53] Okay, and you have to be up there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I hate I hate the Patriots can't stand the Patriots

[00:06:00] My stuff my stuff I was from Seattle

[00:06:02] So like I whenever we could watch him growing before before, you know, you could watch anything you wanted

[00:06:07] Whenever we could watch him we did so I just kind of stuck with that, you know

[00:06:12] I play I played football. So I don't know football watching football was was like weird for me. Yeah

[00:06:19] Are we already going is this already on her? Yeah, yeah

[00:06:24] Yeah, we just go yeah, I played football so like watching football like I had those a few years where I got into it

[00:06:30] I I just I don't know man

[00:06:31] I don't I I can't be a fan like a fan fan like you know the crazy fans

[00:06:38] Like especially out here like with these people I don't want to be associated with a fandom that's out here for sports. I

[00:06:45] Really don't like I remember the Seahawks won the Super Bowl and a friend of mine was like he like called me

[00:06:50] He's like congrats, and I'm like I didn't play they benched me

[00:06:56] You know then the next year they lose to the Patriots and everyone at work is riding my ass

[00:07:01] But I won like 800 bucks in Super Bowl squares. So I was like shut up and pay me. I don't you know

[00:07:07] It doesn't affect my life at all. They lost you know, so I can't I can't call myself like a like a true

[00:07:13] You know football fan or anything like that. You guys are spoiled up there man the past couple decades

[00:07:19] Yeah, yeah, I remember the heartache though at least with the Patriots were horrible back in the day for

[00:07:24] Oh, yeah, and they're horrible again. That's great. Yeah

[00:07:28] 85

[00:07:29] Were they they lost the Bears Bears? Yeah, that's right

[00:07:33] Yeah, so I played football through I started playing football in high school and I played semi-pro for a few years and

[00:07:40] No shit. What position do you play? I was a defensive lineman

[00:07:44] And then I got older and slower and had to go to offensive guard nice

[00:07:51] But I got you know, I'm six five four of pounds like I have a nice reach that's how I got I had good grip strength

[00:07:57] That's how I was I didn't I'd not be honest with you like I don't

[00:08:00] Really understand like I was good at football, but it was like a natural thing like a playing defense was the most mindless job

[00:08:07] I could do oh that guy. Okay. Yeah, come here. Yeah, the ball

[00:08:10] I had long arms and really good in a really good grip strength

[00:08:14] I could grab a guy in height like in high school, you know

[00:08:18] So but you know like when I started playing offense, I had to learn how to play football. Yeah

[00:08:23] It was a little bit different, you know, yeah offensive line. There's like there's like shit. You got to do

[00:08:31] Yeah, come on. I was I tell the guy next to me this tell me where I'm going, you know, yeah

[00:08:38] No D line is a shit man. I played guard in high school. I just played for one year in high school

[00:08:43] But I would play I played nose tackle a couple times that was just like

[00:08:48] Once the ball snap get the quarterback. It's just like it's so fun. So mindless and just

[00:08:55] When I was in high school

[00:08:58] It was my junior year

[00:09:00] I was like a captain of the var are the junior varsity and I started varsity

[00:09:04] But uh, they were like they moved me to middle linebacker for some reason for like like three or four plays

[00:09:11] And I was just like this is fucking awesome. I could see everything, you know what I mean? I'm like, I'm a dummy

[00:09:17] I'm like coach. I know what they're doing, you know

[00:09:23] So, yeah, it was fun

[00:09:24] I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it and you know, again, I was playing semi-pro

[00:09:30] I played a few years in my in like my early to mid 20s and I took a couple years off and went back and

[00:09:37] And uh, you know, it was it was cool. It was fun until until you get hurt or something

[00:09:41] And I'm like, oh wow, I still have to go to work, you know. Yeah. Yeah that my pro is very like

[00:09:46] It's it's just a glorified club. It's not really anything like, you know

[00:09:50] It's not like semi-pro basketball or hockey, you know, ahl or anything like that. Yeah

[00:09:55] I might or the minor leagues so like it was like, yeah, all right. There was an eye open. I was I just turned 30

[00:10:01] And I got hurt and I was just like

[00:10:03] I can come back from this I can come back from this and then I was like, why do I want to

[00:10:11] So I had to call it I call it quits, you know, you know, why don't you coach and I'm like, you know

[00:10:15] I don't know how to play this fucking game

[00:10:21] You know, so that's that's that's how that all went but uh, you know, it was a lot of fun. A lot of fun

[00:10:26] Yeah, I miss I played too

[00:10:29] I just just playing sports. I played a lot of sports and yeah, I'm almost 45 now and it's like it doesn't go so well

[00:10:37] No

[00:10:38] But yeah, I know I hear you I fucking getting up sometimes doesn't go so I'm 42

[00:10:42] You know, I put my body through a lot of torture over the years. So now it's like catching up to me

[00:10:48] you know

[00:10:50] Yeah, I'm 46 and today I went to go fix one of my cabinets. I was like laying down on the kitchen floor

[00:10:55] And it was time to get up and I was like shit

[00:10:58] after

[00:11:00] Like I'm like all four like my arms and legs spread out

[00:11:04] So I I want to ask you guys since you're both in your 40s. Yeah. Have you ever fallen?

[00:11:10] like

[00:11:11] You know what I'm talking about right like like old man withers like Broglie's

[00:11:14] Like you just slip and fall not yet though

[00:11:18] I was living in Tennessee

[00:11:19] And I was walking out to my car

[00:11:21] I was running I was like kind of like, you know

[00:11:24] Moving faster than I should have been well

[00:11:26] Maybe should have been but I like did a banana banana peel fucking slip

[00:11:31] And I hit the ground and I just lay there and I was like

[00:11:36] Is anything broken? You know what I mean? Like I'm just like I'm like I'm laying there and I'm kind of like

[00:11:41] All right, you know everything seems to be okay. You know, and I was thinking to myself like if you're hurt

[00:11:46] You're not gonna yell for help because you're a stubborn fucking, you know

[00:11:49] 80s, 80s, baby, you know what I mean? So I'm like, I'm just gonna lay here and die if I broke something

[00:11:55] I'm my roommates gonna come home to a dead giant on his

[00:12:01] Luckily, I just banged up my knee a little bit

[00:12:03] But it hurt my pride more than anything like I was fucking really upset about the whole fall, you know

[00:12:09] Since since both you guys mentioned banana peels and slipping on them. Have you ever

[00:12:14] Experienced why that was a thing in cartoons back in the day and why it's a saying no

[00:12:18] Those motherfuckers are actually slippery. Did you actually ever slip on a banana peel? Did you do it on purpose?

[00:12:25] No experiment was this an experiment? Yeah, I was so I was in a um

[00:12:29] In the grocery store parking lot one day walking, you know, just going into the grocery store and there was a fucking banana peel

[00:12:35] In the parking lot and you know, I was with some friends and I walked over to it and I was like

[00:12:40] Look banana peel. I'm gonna slip and I stepped on it. I was like

[00:12:43] And I caught myself and I was like, oh shit

[00:12:46] That's just real

[00:12:48] I remember a buddy of mine never stepped on a skateboard his entire life

[00:12:52] Oh, we were like 25 and drunk and he was like, let me show you assholes how to do this and he just

[00:12:58] He it was like a cartoon just up in the air

[00:13:01] Glass flew every you know the glass drink flew everywhere and uh

[00:13:06] Yeah, I hope he lost his shoes because it's not comic almost you lose your shoes

[00:13:12] Oh man showing the shows like with at 42 is different too now for me

[00:13:19] Yeah, it's staying on the back of your arms crossed bobbing your head. Yeah. Yeah, you know

[00:13:23] It's like because in like and because of the podcast people know me now

[00:13:26] So it's like people come up and say hi and I'm like, hello. Hello

[00:13:30] Yeah

[00:13:32] You know, I don't because I don't play an instrument. I'm not a musician. So it's like, I don't know

[00:13:36] It's I don't it was like I just want to you know come here and listen to the music or whatever. Yeah

[00:13:41] Yeah, I just like I'm so I'm either staged like side stage left or like merch table. That's

[00:13:47] Yeah, that's

[00:13:48] I'm the same way and I went this past

[00:13:51] Or not a year ago now last April I went to see the gorilla biscuits in baltimore

[00:13:56] and um

[00:13:57] I'm like

[00:13:58] My friend dylan who's also my age was like do we got to go right up front? I was like, I'm not there's no fucking way

[00:14:03] I'm going up front to for the gorilla biscuits like of all fucking bands. Yeah, and he talked me into it

[00:14:08] We went all the way up front and I was right against the stage

[00:14:11] And uh, he was behind me

[00:14:14] And since I was against the stage all the people who were stage eye diving would go over me and hit him

[00:14:20] So I was okay

[00:14:21] Um, but I felt bad a few times because like I would duck

[00:14:25] And I just knew like he was getting blasted by dudes, but he you know, it was his idea to go up there

[00:14:30] So that's it. Whatever you live by the sword live by the sword

[00:14:35] I was never like a masher either though

[00:14:38] Like I I would be on I tried it once when I was like young when my buddy was like, hey

[00:14:42] This is called slam dancing, you know what I mean back back in the late 80s or whatever in

[00:14:47] In like I just like launched my friend across the room and I'm like, I don't want to hurt nobody

[00:14:51] So I was always the guy only I was always the guy that picked everybody up, you know what I mean?

[00:14:55] Like yeah pick up the people and be like, all right. Here you go, you know get back in there and fall again, you know

[00:15:00] So it was the edge so I was nobody falls

[00:15:02] Yeah, so you can still be interactive and not be and not be in the pit like, you know, you know what I'm saying

[00:15:07] so

[00:15:09] I used to get in there

[00:15:11] Those those days are over though. Yeah. Yeah

[00:15:15] You guys are both musicians though, right? So you guys still play shows and stuff or

[00:15:19] We haven't played shows since 2020

[00:15:22] Right 20

[00:15:23] Because since covid covid kind of yeah, I mean that happens right killed our bands

[00:15:28] Yeah, yeah, I haven't played the last show I played was 2019

[00:15:33] Yeah, but but uh, that doesn't mean it's the last one. I'm ever going to play right right, right

[00:15:38] I want I mean i'm a punk rock bass player. I wouldn't say i'm a musician

[00:15:44] I teach a monkey to play bass in a punk band

[00:15:48] It's the easiest way if you ever want to be in a band

[00:15:51] Be a bass player in a punk band. You got the bass. Yeah

[00:15:55] Go get go get a squire. Yeah, and if you suck just lower that bass lower that volume

[00:16:00] Somehow spelled sq u i e r that's right. We learned that

[00:16:06] I um, I had a my grandfather

[00:16:08] I I tell I've told this story like on my podcast before um

[00:16:13] So my grandfather was a musician and uh old Italian guy, you know, they call them jazz

[00:16:17] Like he had all the old school Italians in my hometown like all had nicknames, you know

[00:16:22] And he went around he went around to all the different Italian clubs and played

[00:16:26] And uh, he had a band with his cousins cousin benny was that was played in the band with him and

[00:16:31] So he had this guitar so um guild used to have a a factory in my hometown

[00:16:37] And he worked there for a time and in my head like i'm a storyteller

[00:16:41] So like in my head, this is so gloria like he handmade this guitar himself, you know what I mean

[00:16:46] You know like because they're hey, you know, but anyway, so like he uh, it was probably like in the

[00:16:52] It was probably like a 60s or 70s model

[00:16:56] And uh when I was 10 he gave it to me

[00:16:58] And he was gonna he was like i'm gonna teach him to play guitar and he like he was he was you know

[00:17:02] He played by ear and he like he was like pick. He was like a pick player

[00:17:06] and um

[00:17:08] And I was like so excited to learn how to play this guitar and stuff and I would play around with it and stuff

[00:17:13] Before he would teach me like before our lessons and I broke a string

[00:17:18] And he was like, oh i'll get it fixed for you and he took the guitar and he took the guitar and he hawked it on a gambling debt

[00:17:25] So like it broke my heart and so in my head it broke my heart

[00:17:29] And I never wanted to learn to play again, but I think in reality. I was probably just lazy

[00:17:32] You didn't want to learn anymore. You know what I mean

[00:17:34] That's the most italian ending to a story. I've ever heard

[00:17:40] I

[00:17:41] I'm Italian so I could say that yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you I listened to the podcast

[00:17:47] I wore my good fellow shirt for you

[00:17:53] That is fucking funny man, did you grow up in like an Italian community?

[00:17:58] So my my dad was in the navy

[00:18:00] So we kind of moved around but my family is from the Bronx

[00:18:03] So we always go back there in the summer and for holidays and stuff. No Italians there. Yeah

[00:18:10] None yeah

[00:18:11] so, yeah, so

[00:18:13] My family came over from uh half from Sicily half from Naples and they came to new york city back in the 30s 20s and 30s

[00:18:21] um, and they've been in new york since um

[00:18:25] So yeah, my childhood is always like new york in the summer times when i'm off school

[00:18:29] I was in new york and the Bronx every christmas every

[00:18:32] Thanksgiving every easter always up there my family's still up there. I just got back last week from visiting again

[00:18:38] um

[00:18:39] Ron's uncle was in the mob. Yeah, so I have a I have a cousin who was arrested recently

[00:18:46] His nickname was tugboat because it was in the newspaper

[00:18:51] He was uh

[00:18:53] He was so he was

[00:18:54] It's a it's actually my grandfather's nephew. So

[00:18:58] He was actually one of the biggest bookies on the east coast. He's banned from las vegas. He was in jail for a while

[00:19:03] um, and I guess recently I guess he was

[00:19:07] Still doing books even though gamblin's legal and I don't know how I still get away how I still do it

[00:19:11] But you know, it's like the difference between like the states where we'd legal now having a dispenser and still selling it on the street

[00:19:17] Yeah, no taxes. It's still a little cheaper probably. Yeah. Um, but he was arrested

[00:19:22] People with hammers and yeah, yeah

[00:19:25] He was arrested probably like six seven years ago with like

[00:19:28] People in the gambino family. I don't think he's connected but he's like he's a hang around probably because he's a bookie

[00:19:34] Yeah, um

[00:19:36] Yeah, my my grandfather

[00:19:38] Was a bookie who worked for my other cousin who was like

[00:19:41] A kind of a really big deal and as far as bookies go

[00:19:46] When my grandfather was dying of cancer I used to drive him around on his runs to collect

[00:19:50] So we'd be driving through New York City and I would be driving the Cadillac and he

[00:19:55] Next to me and like he'd be like, all right

[00:19:56] I pull up to this building and we pull up and like door man will come out and shake his hand with like a bunch of money

[00:20:00] And is there I drive down the street. He would just tell me

[00:20:03] I recently told my father that I didn't want to tell my father while my grandparents were still alive because he would have been

[00:20:08] pissed but like

[00:20:09] But my grandfather was totally grooming me. Um

[00:20:13] because before he got

[00:20:15] Before he got cancer he was he was gonna open up his own bookie plays

[00:20:18] He had a friend who had a dry cleaners in Manhattan

[00:20:21] And his friend was gonna let him have the back room to win his operation out of a dry cleaner. Yeah

[00:20:26] So he was teaching me the books and um, you know, he would send me on on runs like he

[00:20:32] You know sent me to the these delis to collect and shit. Um

[00:20:37] But he got really sick and passed away shortly after that

[00:20:39] But I finally told because my grandmother passed away a year ago and after she passed away. I told my dad all the stories

[00:20:45] He was just like

[00:20:48] Now is this your father's family or your mother's family father's family

[00:20:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:20:53] Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so like I grew up it was never it was not like that. It was not extravagant

[00:20:58] We just just jazzed the musician, you know what I mean, but uh, but like so where my where I grew

[00:21:03] I don't know. Is this boring for your podcast should we know? No

[00:21:08] So like my hometown was like it was primarily like, um, italian

[00:21:13] It's it's you know, predominantly italian town. Is this still massachusetts? No, this is in rhoda island

[00:21:19] Oh, okay, rhoda. Yeah, and um and like they're you know, big uh, a lot of people from calabria

[00:21:25] And uh, you know, there's a lot of people with my last name in rhoda island a lot

[00:21:29] Oh, yeah, so cochio. There's a lot of socochios in rhoda island

[00:21:32] Um, I don't know if i'm related to them or not, but when I've anyway, but go ahead

[00:21:36] Yeah, so so I'm they

[00:21:39] Westerly west I don't know if you've ever heard of the towns called westerly and they're known for like their granite

[00:21:44] Like westerly granite. It's like a big thing in the granite world and um and in like and there was like a lot of farmers there for a

[00:21:50] long time

[00:21:50] So they're all farmers and granite workers that came over and um, my my great grandparents actually met in rhoda island

[00:21:58] They didn't they weren't like married when they came over. Which is kind which is weird, right? That's kind of like a

[00:22:03] That's usually not how it goes. Um, but yeah, so they were from

[00:22:08] Akri

[00:22:09] Akri and uh, which is I don't know some little town over by consenza and calabria and

[00:22:14] Whatever, you know, so but yeah, that's that's um

[00:22:17] And uh, yeah, so my grandfather was like he was a musician and he was a he was a farmer

[00:22:22] And we used to sell he's sell vegetables. My earliest memories. We lived on this like vegetable farm

[00:22:27] That's what he did. So I was kicking shit out the back, you know

[00:22:30] Kicking different cow shit out into the fields with him when I was a little kid and

[00:22:34] It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I mean, it's not as like, you know, I

[00:22:38] Probably went a lot more fun if we're in Italy doing it, right? So

[00:22:42] Italian guys and their vegetables man, my great grandfather had a vegetable garden in his in

[00:22:46] His backyard. I remember he would have eggplant you grow eggplant and shit. Um

[00:22:53] Yeah, yeah, did you grow any I grew some I've grown peppers a few times

[00:22:57] In honor of my grandfather. Yeah, I I should but I haven't um

[00:23:03] I gamble in honor of my grandfather

[00:23:08] Yeah, well, I won't because my grandfather hopped that fucking

[00:23:12] He got like a lot of money for it was 1991 he got like

[00:23:16] Like close to 10 grand for the fucking thing. So imagine what it was worth today, you know, yeah

[00:23:22] So

[00:23:23] It ruined it ruined me as a musician. It ruined it

[00:23:26] I walked away. I walked away from the industry never to come back

[00:23:30] Yeah, but now you got this podcast

[00:23:32] Yes, I do have a podcast. I do. Yeah, talk about talk about the podcast

[00:23:37] Struggling artist podcast. Yeah. So the struggling artist podcast is um, it's my it's my love letter to music actually because uh

[00:23:45] Music has affected me my entire life and in you know more positive ways than negative ones. Um, it was like kind of like

[00:23:53] I when I when it became a music podcast because it wasn't always that

[00:23:58] Um, it was kind of like that was I was like, hey

[00:24:00] I'm gonna try to help some of these bands that I that I love listening to how long you've been doing it for by the way

[00:24:05] Uh, I originally 2017 and then I relaunched. Um, I relaunched January 2020

[00:24:12] Okay, so I went on hiatus. Yeah, and then um, it became a music thing early 2021

[00:24:19] Yeah, because you haven't it's not always been like just straight music, right? You've you you dabble into other

[00:24:25] Yeah, I'll dabble. I'll have some people like I've had I've had a few authors on recent in recent years

[00:24:31] Um, people connected to the music world, right? I love like people who who are still on radio or used to be on radio or

[00:24:39] um, you know

[00:24:41] Music producers, you know, whoever and it's and it's not like it's not like about

[00:24:45] I mean, it's about music, but it's not right. We do what we kind of do what we're doing here

[00:24:49] Right, you just kind of chop it up a people. Yeah. Yeah. You have conversations

[00:24:52] That's what black guys are there's fucking interviews. It's a conversation. It's definitely no junk it like, you know what I mean?

[00:24:58] so

[00:24:59] But you know, so yeah, I kind of do that and again, like I think I think it helps with like people who love music the way

[00:25:06] The way we love music like to hear, you know some a musician just talk about like life and in stuff

[00:25:14] I think it's real relatable and it helps. I think it makes people love it that much more

[00:25:17] Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. I'm a storyteller as I said before so I love hearing stories

[00:25:22] I love hearing people stories like I had a guest on who

[00:25:26] Who did 20 years in prison

[00:25:28] for um, for something that they never really like like he was they had no evidence that he did

[00:25:34] Sticks to his, you know, that he was innocent

[00:25:37] Um, you know and he's a musician and and like, you know

[00:25:40] So he told me about like having a band while he was while he was locked up

[00:25:43] You know what I mean and how it all started and why he has they can do that when they're locked up

[00:25:47] How they have

[00:25:48] Yeah, yeah, I don't think you can make profit from any kind of art. They did that with charles manson started that one

[00:25:54] Yeah, they said right they they made it so you can't make profit

[00:25:58] But I mean there's ways around it obviously, you know

[00:26:01] Yeah, matt knows the oh the record label that the dude who runs a record label that signed dude manson

[00:26:07] Yeah, my good friend of mine, uh mark ice tone

[00:26:11] I've been we've been friends since high school runs a skate shop here in fredexburg his older brother

[00:26:15] You know, I had started a record label back in the late 90s

[00:26:20] um

[00:26:21] And dude dude hit success with his little indie labels like he put out the first releases by like boy sets fire and cave in

[00:26:29] um

[00:26:30] but yeah, uh

[00:26:33] Few years after that

[00:26:35] His friend his hit him up and basically said like hey

[00:26:39] um, I got a proposition for you and

[00:26:42] He was like all right shoot and he said uh charles manson

[00:26:45] And he was like what do you mean charles manson? He's like like v charles manson in jail

[00:26:51] charles manson like

[00:26:53] He was like he has been looking for

[00:26:56] Somebody to put his music out for a long time

[00:26:59] What do you think and he mulled over it for a while and said fucking all presses good press

[00:27:04] He ended up putting out two eps by fucking charles manson charles manson and charles

[00:27:08] He had before he died he used to call brint once uh once a month and they'd have this like hour or two long conversation on the phone

[00:27:15] Used because their last name is uh, ice stone. So I guess

[00:27:20] Charles used to call him

[00:27:22] The ice stone and considered brint one of the family

[00:27:27] Until he died yeah until he died yeah

[00:27:30] Crazy right I know I still got the I still got the posters from the eps somewhere

[00:27:34] Yeah, he couldn't profit off of that all right. He could no he just wanted to get to get put out

[00:27:39] Yeah, I'm gonna get it put out there. Yeah

[00:27:41] Yeah, he's uh, he's an example like he's

[00:27:44] He's like him and donald trump like they have this thing where people just fucking flocked. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[00:27:51] Yep, it's a weird. It's a weird thing and uh, it's almost like a sixth sense if you will yeah, yeah

[00:27:58] Yeah, it's strange and one one went into prison and died in prison and one was our president that's fucked up

[00:28:07] I

[00:28:07] Mean that's fucked up and if you want to think about like who actually had had more influence on the two

[00:28:12] Who do you think has more influence of or who had more influence over? Oh man for culture as it has that too

[00:28:17] That's a solid question

[00:28:19] I mean trump. I would say like

[00:28:22] Yeah, I mean did he though

[00:28:24] because like

[00:28:25] Well, yeah, I guess I was just about to think trump could get people to murder for him. But yeah, he definitely could

[00:28:31] Yeah, man, I mean man said had influence over a group of people but

[00:28:36] Well remember before before

[00:28:39] All that shit went down. He was like hanging out with the beach boys. That's true. Yeah, and was a musician and yeah

[00:28:45] People loved that dude previous to that. Yeah, if they would have just signed him man

[00:28:50] damn

[00:28:51] Yeah

[00:28:53] Sharon Tate might still be here

[00:28:56] That's fucked up. It's great

[00:28:58] So fucked up man, that's crazy that we're equating a u.s president

[00:29:03] It's it's a reality though. Yeah, they're off all politicians are fucking serial killers. I haven't killed yet. That's all

[00:29:10] Well, that we know of that we know of yeah, I mean some of them probably have

[00:29:19] Easy

[00:29:19] I do not want to commit suicide

[00:29:28] Oh

[00:29:29] Yes, that's the podcast man. Um, you know, it's basically this, you know, it's similar to this one and and I just again

[00:29:37] You know, like I've had actors on you know, I've had a few people that acted on

[00:29:41] And stuff like that and I just like for me it was like it really was like just like I just love hearing people's stories and like

[00:29:48] I've always romanticized music because I'm terrible at it much like baseball, right? I was saying that earlier

[00:29:53] um, you know, so like for me it was just like it just it just made sense and

[00:29:59] I almost gave up like I'd moved from Pittsburgh. Well right outside of Pittsburgh

[00:30:03] Back to massachusetts and like I went like three weeks. I was I was like depressed as fucking like I was like, ah, this is over

[00:30:11] and um

[00:30:12] My cousin was like you got it. You gotta keep going man. It's a good podcast

[00:30:16] So I was like, I'm gonna ask two people and if one of the two people say yes, they'll come on

[00:30:20] Then you know, maybe I'll keep it going and both of them had said yes and and like and one of them was um

[00:30:26] One of what I became friends with and it was it's just weird that we became friends because like his punk band was like

[00:30:32] Like his punk band was like my like the punk band that I was like, oh my god

[00:30:37] You know what I mean? Like the one that really opened my eyes and was like

[00:30:41] There's people out there like me. You know what I'm saying? Who was it?

[00:30:44] Uh mark lind from the dunk the ducky boys

[00:30:47] Well, I know the ducky boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like that was like, you know

[00:30:51] I mean I went to a dropkick Murphy concert with a friend and they they opened it

[00:30:55] I was like this is my music like this is mine

[00:30:57] So, you know through that like that and I was like I just started talking to more musicians

[00:31:02] Um, it just it just naturally progressed to that

[00:31:06] Um, doesn't mean I won't talk to people who aren't musicians. I still I still do what I want

[00:31:10] It's my show right? Yeah

[00:31:11] Yeah, hell yeah

[00:31:14] Same

[00:31:16] You know, but I think creativity. I think people who listen in like here a band that

[00:31:21] Um, you know like to hear a musician talk about like they hung it up for for years to raise their kid and then

[00:31:28] You know, they decided at 40 they were gonna make a band and they're a good band

[00:31:32] And you know what I'm saying? Like I think that stuff. I think some of that stuff is encouraging. Um, you know, so

[00:31:38] hell yeah

[00:31:39] Do you remember like I always like to find out like when people first got into punk rock and kind of like

[00:31:44] Some of the first bands that made that made you fall in love with the genre like, you know

[00:31:49] Kind of what were you going through at the time and how did you find it?

[00:31:53] So

[00:31:53] I don't know because like I've always listened to like I I never really to me everything was just rock and roll music

[00:31:59] And I still kind of think that way but like I you know, I remember like

[00:32:04] I the fun. All right, we're gonna I'm gonna have to um

[00:32:08] I'm gonna have to turn in my my punk card right now

[00:32:10] Uh, I remember listening to the misfits and like in black flag and stuff

[00:32:14] And like this is good. This is good

[00:32:15] And then I remember like listening to danzig and listening to the ron's band

[00:32:19] It had no idea that either one of them went in those bands

[00:32:23] Like I was because I never got into it like that. I never like obsessed over like the

[00:32:28] Players, you know what I mean? It was just like the music and stuff

[00:32:31] I think a lot of people were like to be honest with you when they're especially when they're younger

[00:32:36] Yeah, and then I had a I had a weird thing

[00:32:38] Like I didn't like the misfits for a long time in high school because like the elitist skate rats like the misfits and they like

[00:32:44] You know, they were like, oh

[00:32:46] So I was like fuck them

[00:32:50] You know, and I'll also say like my the first the first time like I think the misfits album that really got me

[00:32:56] And I'm gonna lose credit for this one too. It's probably american psycho. Fuck. Yeah, dude

[00:33:01] You know what I piss off one of my favorite things to say

[00:33:04] Because I know it's gonna it drives that it drives fucking misfits fans baddie

[00:33:09] I always like every now and then I'll put it out on twitter or something like

[00:33:12] american psycho was the greatest misfits album of all time

[00:33:16] It's my favorite and I know it's not the greatest one of all time, but I love saying it because

[00:33:21] And like Michael Michael graves is a piece of shit and I don't know how he is a piece of shit, but he

[00:33:26] That's a great album. It was yes. I don't know how I don't know how he took over like

[00:33:31] I don't know how he's the bigger piece of shit

[00:33:33] misfit than

[00:33:35] But yeah, or Dan's again, but like he is

[00:33:38] I actually met I actually met Michael graves

[00:33:41] On a movie set that I was on. Okay

[00:33:43] And uh, he was like he was super nice to me, you know, he's a nice guy, but he's

[00:33:49] Yeah, you know

[00:33:50] Super nice. Yeah

[00:33:53] This was like right before right before he became a proud boy or whatever

[00:33:57] Yeah, this was before when I met him too

[00:34:01] It was before all that which is weird. That's why I always say I'm like dude. Well, what are you thinking?

[00:34:07] Yeah, I don't think I don't think he is a proud boy. He just backed them

[00:34:11] Which is like what the fuck are you thinking and then and at first he was kind of like the guy that was just like

[00:34:17] Be punk rock, but I also want to own guns. I'm like, all right. That's cool. Yeah

[00:34:21] And then it started to go yeah, and I'm not I'm not you know, I'm not um

[00:34:26] I don't know. I don't recognize. I'm not left or right or whatever. He kept going more right more right now. It's like

[00:34:33] All right way too far. Hey real that bitch in

[00:34:39] So um, yeah, so they they ended up taking out the part with him in the movie

[00:34:43] They actually reshot the whole film which sucks which sucks because I was in it

[00:34:46] And I couldn't make the reshoot so they had to recast my my character, but um, you know

[00:34:52] He killed me actually in the and that was

[00:34:55] My death was my Michael which was a pretty cool thing to happen. It was on my birthday

[00:35:00] Michael graves Michael graves kills me in the uh, in the cut that uh, no one will ever stay

[00:35:07] And I was like the guy was like the slasher. I was the nice the big scary monster guy

[00:35:12] Yeah, I always wanted to be one of those so it was cool. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. It was fun, man

[00:35:17] But uh, yeah, no, so like I don't know. So like yeah music. Ah man

[00:35:21] I you know

[00:35:24] It's tough man, you know like we grew up there in a really good time for music. I think yes

[00:35:29] Yes, we did because we had all we had all the classic stuff that was already there and then the 90s hit and like that's where money was

[00:35:35] Was really there for for a lot of these bands

[00:35:38] Oh, man, I I've I've

[00:35:41] Discovered this youtube channel that I guess existed only a year ago

[00:35:47] um, but it's called it was called punk rock vhs

[00:35:51] And there's and there's only like maybe

[00:35:53] fucking 20 videos uploaded to that youtube channel, but it's all

[00:35:57] vhs videos of like

[00:36:00] punk bands from the fucking 90s

[00:36:03] And uh, and even actually there's even one operation ivy from like 1988 or whatever

[00:36:09] And just like my videos

[00:36:11] Yeah, yeah from like shows and just like that were filmed on you know vhs camcorders

[00:36:15] And oh my god, did it take me back and just like looking at some of those shows and how

[00:36:19] Packed it was and how fucking crazy people were going and then going to shows nowadays

[00:36:25] And like man, I it brought back all this shit from the 90s. It was like man

[00:36:30] No wonder everyone was so fucking into this back then like it was like an actual thing like now

[00:36:37] I mean it's still cool

[00:36:39] But like, you know ron and I are going to

[00:36:41] And some friends going to see like less than jake and strung out

[00:36:45] In in march at the norva in norfolk and like I know that place isn't gonna look anything like

[00:36:51] You know what the videos I just fucking watched this, you know, I don't know it's uh

[00:36:57] It was it was such a it was such a great time coming out of the 80s into the 90s from music

[00:37:01] I I always say like

[00:37:03] Rock music in general wasn't supposed to be pop

[00:37:07] Pop culture or pop

[00:37:09] It was it was underground and I don't get Matt started on this one

[00:37:12] I think we've hit that again like and it sucks because there's so many good fucking bands out there

[00:37:17] And like and I just can't like

[00:37:20] I can't like I wish these guys, you know, I wish there was money in music still because

[00:37:25] These bands and I'm sure you guys can give me a ton of bands from where you are

[00:37:29] And I can give you a ton of them from new wanglin or or anywhere that because we you know

[00:37:34] We talked to people all over the place, right?

[00:37:35] Like one of my favorite bands out of Seattle is called the scoffs and like

[00:37:39] They're it's like they're like Slade meets meets thin Lizzie. It's fucking phenomenal. Nice. Oh, I gotta check this out

[00:37:46] Oh, they're so good. They're so good and then up here in New England

[00:37:49] So I you know to answer your question

[00:37:50] I guess it's gonna be that that when I went to see the dropkick murphy's and saw the ducky boys for the first time

[00:37:55] Because that was like we're that's when it was really like

[00:37:57] Yeah, this is it. I mean, I could tell you like the first corn album was really good

[00:38:00] But that's not punk rock, right? That's not but like for for me it was just

[00:38:05] Like I don't know just music in general all music, you know the doors anything weird the talking heads

[00:38:11] I think if I had a fuck yeah

[00:38:13] If I had a real talking heads been of my fate when I go a favorite band of mine since I was a little kid

[00:38:18] So maybe them, you know, I went through a doors phase in high school too. Yeah, my friends home

[00:38:22] We used to like I still love the doors. Yeah

[00:38:26] Oh, I'll put five to one. I'll put that up. I'll put that song up against

[00:38:30] Anything that comes out on the radio now, you know and that first talking heads fucking album, dude

[00:38:36] The one with psycho killer on it was that what was the album called psycho killer? What was the album called?

[00:38:40] Or is it just talking head? I don't remember. That's a good song

[00:38:43] Yeah, that is that first talking heads album is just it's epically good

[00:38:47] Yeah, I had a lot of like

[00:38:48] Like so growing up did you guys not have to listen to your parents music and stuff? So like my mom

[00:38:54] My mom was young. I had young parents

[00:38:56] So my mom my mom listened to like talking heads and blondie, but she also listened to like a lot of like that 80s like

[00:39:04] um, like

[00:39:06] What do they call it freestyle? You know, like like a lot of synth stuff. So like I like all that shit too

[00:39:12] You know, yeah, yeah

[00:39:14] Yeah, my mom had me when she was 19

[00:39:17] um

[00:39:18] So she's really young and she was all into like Madonna and like all the age and shit and I grew up on Madonna

[00:39:23] In fact, if you asked me

[00:39:26] Up until I was like a junior in high school

[00:39:29] Like what's your favorite music? I would just say Madonna. I was obsessed with Madonna

[00:39:34] Until I was like since until I was like a sophomore junior in high school

[00:39:37] And I started getting at the punk rock with Madonna bangers, dude. Yeah

[00:39:41] Also italian by the way hell, yeah

[00:39:45] I'm always surrounded by italians

[00:39:48] I don't know

[00:39:49] Yeah, it's just you know, so like music like that like rock music was never supposed to be

[00:39:57] um mainstream and it and it went that way and like

[00:40:00] You know, and I think there's I mean, I never resented that I want everyone to get paid

[00:40:05] Like yeah, I never understood the people that would hate on like against me when they when they got big like

[00:40:09] Like let them get paid

[00:40:11] Yeah, and they did it right they broke they they are actually the ones that broke the system for finally

[00:40:18] Because they they took like it was like a two album

[00:40:21] I think it was like a two year two album ten million dollar deal or something like that

[00:40:25] And uh, and that has that they were the last ones

[00:40:28] That's it. It didn't happen anymore

[00:40:31] And they because they turned around they picked their their labels the one they wanted the best

[00:40:35] I guess it was like a sub label of

[00:40:38] Of like island I think or something I can't remember but um

[00:40:41] Yeah, and they and they they did their two years and they're

[00:40:46] Ten million dollars and then they walked

[00:40:48] Yeah, and and the major music industry was like nah, we ain't gonna let this happen anymore. This ain't

[00:40:56] You know, I think like also too like I

[00:40:59] We're you know, we're of an age now

[00:41:01] Where like the bands a lot of well, I think a lot of bands that we listen to

[00:41:06] Even on like the independent level as they get older like they're playing a different sound now too and I'm okay with that

[00:41:12] you know what I'm saying like

[00:41:13] You know I I um

[00:41:15] I think about like

[00:41:17] I don't know. I'm not like a big pop punk fan

[00:41:20] So like, you know, like whenever like I was never

[00:41:24] A blink 182 fan, you know, like I was like again. I was listening to like like

[00:41:30] Street street punk and um hardcore, you know blood for blood

[00:41:35] And you know bands like that and uh in the ducky boys and there's a whole list of boston bands

[00:41:41] I like really got sucked into the boston music especially being from rhodi island where like

[00:41:47] Southern rhodi island it's the sea it's laughing laughable considering you can get from one end to the other in 45 minutes

[00:41:53] But yeah, like southern rhodi island. We didn't really have a scene, you know

[00:41:57] And I mean we didn't have a music community

[00:41:59] If you go back there now, you know the biggest band in that town is a cover band that and like Taylor Swift has a beach house

[00:42:05] You know, that's a nice. Yeah those are the two things

[00:42:08] But like so like you think it like you look at that stuff

[00:42:10] So like I really gravitated so where I was at you either you either went like new haven, Connecticut, new york

[00:42:16] You know hardcore or you kind of gravitated to what was going on in Providence and then then boston

[00:42:21] And I went straight to boston with it. Oh, yeah 10-yard fight one of my favorite hardcore bands

[00:42:25] I remember them. Yeah, I don't remember them. You don't remember 10-yard fight dude. You were a football player too

[00:42:30] You got to listen to that. I remember 10-yard fight. Yeah, it's thing about football. It's a hardcore band. They sing about football

[00:42:34] That's great. That's where you

[00:42:37] Were you an unseen fan was unseen was from boston? Yeah. Yeah, I like yeah, the unseen were good. Yeah

[00:42:41] Yeah, I was you know

[00:42:42] I

[00:42:43] I didn't go to a lot of shows either because like I live so far like, you know two hours away when you're a kid

[00:42:48] That's it's fucking forever. Yeah. Yeah

[00:42:51] And what provident with especially with Providence being I'm sure way closer and yeah, yeah

[00:42:55] My first show was like a was like a dancehall reggae show too. It wasn't even like I love reggae

[00:43:00] I love dancehall reggae and like it's like my first my first few shows were just like and I lived on the coast

[00:43:05] So I guess that's part of that thing too, right?

[00:43:07] I lived in a coastal town and shit

[00:43:09] So when you I could see you'd probably see more of that than than anything with the original music

[00:43:14] Um, yeah, so I gravitated to this boston thing and I always hung on forever

[00:43:20] I move out to massachusetts and i'm still listening to fucking boston boston punk music in boston rock and boston just the music out here

[00:43:27] um

[00:43:28] and uh

[00:43:29] You know, so with the podcast like i'm these bands that these newer bands are these younger younger guys, you know

[00:43:35] late 20s early 30s, and i'm talking to like

[00:43:38] They don't really know that like some of them don't remember what I saw, you know what i'm saying

[00:43:42] Yeah, like they're a different band and like, you know, they know the names and they know the players

[00:43:46] But like they don't know like, you know, but it's all the it's still it's still really similar to one another

[00:43:52] Yeah, and I think I think that's you don't get that a lot in a lot of places

[00:43:56] And I think that's why I have so much love for it. Um, yeah, I call it a community

[00:43:59] I don't call it a scene. I feel like scenes come and go scenes will come and go communities last

[00:44:03] Yeah bands everyone plays in each other's bands and like that's that that was a thing then it's a thing now

[00:44:09] And um, everyone really helps each other out here, you know, so it's it's cool to see

[00:44:14] um

[00:44:15] So I talked to a lot of those obviously because i'm right here, you know, yeah, uh, you know, so it's it's uh, yeah

[00:44:20] I don't know. I I I enjoy I enjoy doing it the podcast

[00:44:24] Does pretty well. I guess, um, we've been nominated twice in the last two years for the boston music awards for best radio show slash podcast

[00:44:32] That's awesome. That's cool

[00:44:34] Yeah, it's cool. You know what it is. I don't I don't ever want to win it, right?

[00:44:38] I don't want to win it but being on the flyer, right? Isn't that that's like the oh, yeah

[00:44:41] That's it, right?

[00:44:43] Getting the nod, you know, just just being recognized for that's what that's good enough for me. That's cool. So

[00:44:49] I don't interview any hero like I don't interview any big time people like you guys do though

[00:44:54] I listened to your fat mic episode. I was like holy shit

[00:44:57] Oh, that's

[00:44:58] That was like one of my biggest goals from the beginning is to get him on and finally we got him

[00:45:06] I was super nervous. I don't know about that but I was you didn't sound it

[00:45:10] You guys sounding cool. You guys sounded cool and collected. It was a very good conversation too

[00:45:15] And uh, you guys got to see, you know a different side of him. I think the most people that's yeah most would say

[00:45:21] Yeah, that's kind of what I was worried about because I heard he could be difficult

[00:45:25] um, I think we caught him on a

[00:45:28] In a good time though for yeah, you know, it also it also depends with people like him

[00:45:35] and I

[00:45:36] I

[00:45:38] Don't want to lump a whole bunch of people into the same category here, but like

[00:45:43] It really depends on how you talk to people because like

[00:45:48] When it comes to interviews like they can seem so like

[00:45:53] Jenny wine. Yeah, this is my cat stripe. He does this is what he does

[00:45:58] I like it

[00:46:00] I'm surprised tool. My dog tool. I hasn't made an appearance. What kind of dog you got?

[00:46:04] Ah, she's just some mutt

[00:46:10] But yeah, it

[00:46:12] Like it's not an interview. You have a conversation. You don't fanboy out

[00:46:16] Yeah, like there's there's certain if you just talk to people like they're people

[00:46:20] Generally, you're not going to get the nasty side of them if you try to

[00:46:25] Ask stupid questions in an interview or or kind of do a fanboy thing

[00:46:29] It can turn people off really quick sometimes. Yeah

[00:46:32] I've I've been on the other side of that

[00:46:35] Yeah, and it does it does suck you try not to let it get to you

[00:46:39] But it does sometimes it can suck, you know, and I I think fat might gets a lot of the bad

[00:46:46] Yeah, press he gets from that because he's gotten to a point in his life where when people do that

[00:46:51] He just tells him to fuck off. Yeah

[00:46:54] Like literally

[00:46:55] Yeah, yeah

[00:46:58] Yeah, no, it's yeah and that's just it right that's the thing about

[00:47:02] Well, what stuff that we because there's podcasts out there that like they try to they're trying to like catch somebody right?

[00:47:08] They're trying to do that. Yeah, they're trying to get there. They're trying to get their viral moment, right?

[00:47:13] Yep, they're trying to get that sound bite

[00:47:14] Yeah, they're trying to get that one that one the clickbait or whatever

[00:47:17] And they're baiting someone into trying to like to do that and then you get the ones that are like, you know

[00:47:22] Like they might they might be more like like just professional, but they're the it's like a junket interview like

[00:47:27] I don't want to hear them talk about the same album over and over. I want to know

[00:47:31] I want to know like I want to know like hey when you found out like people liked it

[00:47:36] What did you think? You know what I mean? Because how many times I've talked to people and I was like

[00:47:40] You know, like they they're you know, whatever song takes off or whatever and they're like, that's not the one I want

[00:47:46] You know

[00:47:47] So it's it's cool that and I love podcasts that are similar like ours

[00:47:51] Because you're gonna get a you're gonna get something else out of john grove and I get something else out of john grove, you know what I mean?

[00:47:59] It's it's it's perfect. It's I don't know. I just this format is just so much easier and in like

[00:48:05] Organic yeah, it's organic, you know, yeah

[00:48:08] I know matt and I started this because we were both in bands and covet hit and there was so many

[00:48:14] It just kind of like the opportunities for us to play were killed and so many of our friends and bands that we played with were killed

[00:48:21] And we just wanted to set this up as like an opportunity for these people to still put out content in some way

[00:48:27] We had no idea what the fuck we were doing

[00:48:29] No, I still don't yeah

[00:48:31] We have microphones in a computer. Let's do this like that's you know what I mean

[00:48:38] But yeah, we've I you know, I've

[00:48:41] I've made so many friends doing this and it's it's so valuable to me like

[00:48:46] um

[00:48:47] You know just thinking about like I still hang out with some of my high school friends

[00:48:51] But some of my best friends now

[00:48:53] Are people that I've met do playing shows and doing this podcast and like

[00:48:57] Some of them around the country that I haven't even met face-to-face, but I talked to on a regular basis

[00:49:01] And it's just really really cool and it's kind of this podcast is kind of like brought

[00:49:06] The whole like local punk scene whether it's la or you know, we talked to people from here from Tennessee from you know, Chicago

[00:49:14] Milwaukee, it's just like

[00:49:16] It kind of brings it all into one little

[00:49:19] Family, you know like community like you were saying yeah, and it's it's been like the coolest thing I've ever done and you know

[00:49:27] It's just great. It's I love it. It's awesome. Yeah, I'm right there with yeah, same thing like it's

[00:49:32] You know, yeah, and you're bringing people to get together and now people, you know, you might

[00:49:39] Two people like two musicians might find out about each other through this

[00:49:43] Yeah, get networked and then you know what I mean network with each other and then they're doing a project together

[00:49:47] It's it's cool. It's cool, man

[00:49:49] It's it's just I don't know because like I said like

[00:49:51] Like there's you know, you got gen pop when it comes to like when he gets when he comes to like music

[00:49:56] Like they gen pop people are just like yeah, what's on the radio is good. There's no good music anymore

[00:50:00] Nothing will ever beat this fucking Ted Nugent record. You know what I mean?

[00:50:05] You got assholes like that

[00:50:06] But then you got like the lifers the lifers that are like like we're in it

[00:50:10] Whether we're we whether we play instruments or not

[00:50:13] Whether we're on stage or not like we're in this and we we're the ones that find like the find like that

[00:50:19] You know those the gems in the world right now, I always talk about the band coffin salesman from boston like they are

[00:50:25] My favorite band there are the coffin salesman coffin salesman. Yeah

[00:50:29] They have a name they have a fucking they have a clarinet player and she's oh god damn good

[00:50:35] She had like so they had put out this they had the bands like changed over the years

[00:50:41] They had put out this one song with like this ripping violin solo

[00:50:45] And now she has it with the clarinet because they don't have violin player

[00:50:48] And it's like I watch I watch people just like they're mesmerized by this band

[00:50:53] but like, you know

[00:50:55] They just they're the one like and they do weird shit and it's awesome. You know what I mean?

[00:51:00] But like, you know, you get someone who's like, oh

[00:51:02] You know go back to the Ted Nugent thing like I like to ban the scoffs right?

[00:51:06] So when someone's like, oh, there's no good music. It's all classic music. I'm like here listen to this

[00:51:11] Yeah, because I can pick their brain a little bit like all right

[00:51:14] They're gonna like the scops because like again, they sound like across between slade and tin lizzie

[00:51:18] You know what I mean? So like this is gonna get I gotta I gotta type this

[00:51:21] Sorry into my fucking Spotify right now

[00:51:24] They have that aesthetic too. You'll you'll love it. You'll love it. It's like, yeah

[00:51:27] So like I talked to like, you know what I mean?

[00:51:29] So it's

[00:51:30] Being a and I was always a kid that like when I heard something new like the first time I heard

[00:51:34] You know shoots and ladders by corn. I'm like hey guys

[00:51:38] Listen to that, you know what I mean or like I've always been that so doing the podcast is it's it's just an extension of that

[00:51:45] Right, I get I have I have this record club too

[00:51:48] And um, I that I run it was originally it was get punk.com's record club and and he was closing up shops

[00:51:54] So he asked me to take it over and I said well how much he was like

[00:51:59] Here

[00:52:02] Here's all the money from the people that you got to give records till still I mean, all right

[00:52:06] So so I took this thing over and like, you know, I was a member of the club

[00:52:10] Since it like first happened and I remember the dopamine had I got opening up

[00:52:16] Package and seeing a record of a band. I didn't know

[00:52:19] Yeah, now I'm the now I'm getting a dopamine hit by finding these these bands and sending them the people who are going to enjoy

[00:52:26] Hell yeah, I don't have it, you know

[00:52:28] Hell yeah

[00:52:29] So it's it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun doing that stuff and it's all it's all it all comes back around

[00:52:34] Right? It's just what we're doing. Yeah, you know, and I think I think

[00:52:38] Oddcasts like like like yours in in you know, and the ones like that they're important. These are important podcasts to have

[00:52:46] Um, we're leaving something like we're leaving an imprint in the world, you know, you know

[00:52:52] When we're gone, maybe someone's gonna find these archives of this thing like I remember radio and radios

[00:52:58] All but dead now, you know, it's god and god and sports own radio now, you know

[00:53:04] There's a couple good morning radio shows that exist still but that it's

[00:53:08] You and far between. Yeah, but like so we're we're taking whether we whether we

[00:53:14] Consciously know it or not. We're taking elements from what we heard

[00:53:17] Growing up and we're adding. Yeah, and I think it's a you know, this is a great thing. It's a great format

[00:53:23] It's a great platform

[00:53:25] You know, yeah

[00:53:26] Yeah, just this week. I had a friend hit me up and we had this band called 40 reps

[00:53:30] um

[00:53:31] Great fan from richam in virginia

[00:53:33] And he was like, hey, you know ever since that episode I can't stop listening to them

[00:53:37] He would have never heard of them if it wasn't for that for them being on this podcast

[00:53:41] Everyone can't stop listening to them that record is amazing. Well, I'm writing that one down. So 40 reps

[00:53:47] 40 reps like like like the number 40 and then reps reps. Yeah

[00:53:52] They they just dropped their first full length in november. I believe it's so good

[00:53:56] That makes me feel so good when somebody finds a band

[00:53:59] Because we talked about them

[00:54:01] That otherwise they would have never even heard of that's that's exactly why matt and I started this

[00:54:06] And that's it makes me feel so good like yeah, Ron. I have some uh red came out here

[00:54:13] To tell me something I got some breaking news

[00:54:16] Especially since uh, we were talking about it just before trev

[00:54:21] signed signed signed on here

[00:54:24] Uh rkl just officially announced their comeback for 2024 get the fuck out of here with uh, the dude from municipal waste

[00:54:32] Is there lead vocals? Oh

[00:54:36] Yeah, it's uh, it's uh, off of I mean the thing she just showed me was off of chris

[00:54:41] or uh, no matt

[00:54:43] Matt martin posted it and in uh, damn in the obh facebook. Thanks red. Yep

[00:54:51] Yeah, so there's a video of him singing to that song that video that I was without the singer. Yeah without singer. Yeah

[00:54:59] Yeah

[00:55:02] Sorry, they're trying on an iron giant rkl

[00:55:05] Everyone I know who loves that band are giant fans of that band. Yeah. Yeah

[00:55:12] Now where are they from and where are you guys? Where are you guys you guys in pennsylvania? I'm in mariland

[00:55:18] I'm in virginia. Yeah, mariland in virginia. So i'm not in mariland freggsburg virginia

[00:55:22] Gotcha, gotcha. So basically dc is what we say. Yeah

[00:55:26] Yeah, yeah and rkl rkl is an la band. Yeah, I believe there's some some good bands

[00:55:33] Good bands out of tc curse words is out of dc, right? Yes

[00:55:36] Yes, and as a matter of fact when you were talking about networking and stuff

[00:55:40] I was gonna say I saw a little like picture you posted of um

[00:55:45] I guess it was like your best albums of the year or something

[00:55:47] And I saw curse words new album was up there and I was like, oh shit. Yeah, because those curse words are boys

[00:55:54] And and girl and girl

[00:55:56] Yeah, so I do a monthly show it used to be called bandcamp friday

[00:56:02] It's like so you guys have like multiple shows on your on your like channel, right?

[00:56:06] You guys do different kind of sports one every every two weeks as well. Yeah

[00:56:09] So once a month we do used to be called bandcamp friday because it came it ran with like when the bandcamp was doing

[00:56:15] Bandcamp fridays and stuff went now what we just call it the round table

[00:56:18] but we did our best of yeah, we did our best best of uh 2023 our favorites of 2023 and um

[00:56:28] Myself and someone else picked them on the list and I was pissed because he like announced it before me

[00:56:34] But no, I I love that band and I love like the album is so fucking good. Yeah, it is. It's very good

[00:56:42] Yeah, one of my bands last shows we played with them in dc at some

[00:56:47] God it was like it was the the basement of some row house in dc

[00:56:51] I remember standing outside. They were like all these rats running around and um

[00:56:56] Debate there was so many people smoking weed in the basement. You could barely see anything

[00:57:00] And nobody nobody brought a mic stand so we had to hang the mics from the

[00:57:05] Around like the water pipes

[00:57:07] It was such like a

[00:57:10] Classic punk, you know, but it was only like a couple years ago. It was like one of our last shows

[00:57:14] We played it was they're great. I love those it actually kind of sounds like a nine inch nails video like

[00:57:21] Rats running around

[00:57:23] microphone wires hanging from the pipes fucking you can't see anything with smoke

[00:57:29] Craig craig actually hit me up the other day because they're they're trying to do a um a 10 year anniversary show

[00:57:35] This year because this is this is their 10 year anniversary

[00:57:38] So he was he was asking us if if before he explored other options if we might want to throw that one

[00:57:43] So I would really like to do that this year late april early may or something like that in dc sounds sounds like it

[00:57:52] Is definitely something we want to do. I love I love those people

[00:57:56] Yeah, yeah, we have a good venue in dc that lets us put on shows

[00:57:59] That's awesome pretty much whenever we want to so so you guys

[00:58:02] Do you have a you have it like a do you use like a name for that?

[00:58:06] Like is it is it art? You know our brains hurt show or yeah, it's just obh presents. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome

[00:58:12] We used to do the podcast

[00:58:14] From the show and interviewed bands

[00:58:17] It well I mean in theory it sounds awesome

[00:58:20] But we found out after about four of them that they don't really turn out to be the best episodes

[00:58:25] So we kind of stopped doing it. Yeah. Yeah, I put on so

[00:58:30] January of 2023 I we planned this thing for like over a year

[00:58:35] um, I thought of it like my idea was

[00:58:39] We called it an evening with and uh, so I took like a musician and it was it was like, you know

[00:58:44] They would do mute the perform and in between songs we'd sit down and talk talk about the process and all that shit

[00:58:52] Um, I thought of it like like inside the actor studio meets like unplugged kind of yeah, you know

[00:58:57] Yeah, and I found a venue to do it and it was like a 50 room cap. We sold out which was awesome

[00:59:03] Um, and we did this thing and it was it was a lot of fun a lot of fucking work

[00:59:08] Yeah, a ton of fucking work. Yeah, but it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun

[00:59:12] I'd like to do like more of that though

[00:59:14] I'd like to like to like, you know

[00:59:16] Book a show and have put on a show somewhere. I just I don't know

[00:59:19] I I I'm so like self sabotaging like I'm just like

[00:59:23] Uh, no one's gonna fucking go to a show you're putting on or you're you know

[00:59:27] You're gonna fuck it all up. You know what I mean? I do that a lot

[00:59:29] I even I do that a lot. So I try it's like when I get

[00:59:34] You get like the um, you know the pr stuff from all these bands and I'm like

[00:59:38] No, this now they're too big. They're too big for this little show. You know, you know what I mean?

[00:59:43] I fuck up I fuck up like that all the time

[00:59:48] So but I'd like to do that. Yeah, I might I might want to pick your guys's brain at one point about

[00:59:53] Yeah, how to how to do that, you know for sure anytime, man

[00:59:57] And I can uh, you know tell you more stories about growing up and running out I guess

[01:00:01] I don't know what I can offer in return, but

[01:00:04] No, and if you ever want to do like a

[01:00:06] I mean if you ever have some bands up there that that want to come down

[01:00:10] Uh and play DC just let us know. Yeah

[01:00:14] And it'd be cool if you came down too, it'd be awesome to meet you in person

[01:00:17] Like we could hang out and uh, it's it's a really cool venue. It's a cool spot

[01:00:21] It's like a hundred person cap room, but it's

[01:00:24] The sound is amazing the people who work there are great. It's a pie shop. They actually sell pie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

[01:00:31] Yeah, I've heard of this place. Yeah, I think breeze told me about yes

[01:00:36] It's a great spot. Yeah, the downstairs is like the pie shop restaurant and the upstairs is the venue

[01:00:42] So we're talking like pizza

[01:00:44] No, no like proper pie like proper pie. Okay, it could go either way, you know

[01:00:49] But also it's like sweet and savory. So it's like actual proper pie and then you got like

[01:00:54] 80 different flavors of like like dinner pies like pot pies almost. Oh shit

[01:00:59] Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, my favorite is this thing called smog. So it's like it's steak mushroom onion and greer cheese

[01:01:06] In a pie they got like Guinness stew pie

[01:01:09] Yeah, and but they have I and then you have your classic sweet pies too. It's it's awesome

[01:01:13] You guys are making me hungry

[01:01:16] I'm gonna have to go to this thing. Yeah, I have to go to this thing. Yeah

[01:01:19] That sounds like a lot of fucking fun. Oh, yeah

[01:01:22] Yeah, yeah, I would I would love to do that. I'd love to help it. That's just it right so like I see like

[01:01:28] Like bands sometimes they don't they don't like they don't know how maybe they have the same like complex

[01:01:33] idea where they think they're not worthy of like networking and stuff like that, you know what I mean

[01:01:37] So probably I'd love to help people

[01:01:40] Um, you know Brie actually helped my

[01:01:42] Friend of mine's been gonna get a spot because like place they were supposed to play somewhere and it and it fell through when they're on its

[01:01:48] board. Yeah, so they ended up playing that um

[01:01:51] um

[01:01:53] The the kennel uh over in uh, york, okay. Yeah. Yeah, all right. Yeah. Yeah, so they ended up playing there

[01:01:59] You know, so it's cool again by the podcast helps that right? Yeah

[01:02:03] If I didn't have the podcast and network with anybody then

[01:02:05] I've been like shit out of luck bud, you know

[01:02:09] Yeah, yeah, totally. You know, so it's yeah a lot of this stuff man

[01:02:12] Again, and I might not know what I'm doing, but I'll try my best, you know. Yeah. How did you meet brie?

[01:02:20] Um, just I don't know through like podcasting stuff. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think um

[01:02:27] Um jimmy minnarchick maybe

[01:02:30] Who's that?

[01:02:31] He's a friend he's a friend of hers. I had him on he used to have he used to have a podcast and uh, and he

[01:02:36] He'd introduced us and uh, we started talking and I was like, okay, you know, and she's a she's a go-getter. So

[01:02:43] Super cool. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and she works really hard for for bands and stuff

[01:02:47] So I was like someone I can relate to so I was like, yeah, let's let's you know, in it like

[01:02:52] We've uh, you know, she's been on my podcast a few times

[01:02:55] Yeah, I try to help try to help whatever she needs. You know what I mean? So

[01:02:59] Yes, yeah, she's rad. Yeah, we love brie. Um

[01:03:02] And I know I told you about like, you know, I told her I was going to tell the story about when brie and I had a

[01:03:07] threesome with a clown, but I'll let her tell that on a

[01:03:10] So you could ask her ask if you talk to brie ask her

[01:03:15] Any of you out there? Yeah, yeah, even if you don't know her

[01:03:22] Especially if you don't know

[01:03:25] Everyone just starts hitting her up. Hey talk about this, you know, yeah

[01:03:28] Yeah, she was just down here actually not this past weekend with the new year's eve

[01:03:35] Oh, okay weekend. There was a

[01:03:38] A cool show down in richman with a bunch of

[01:03:41] Um, well, I think at least it's too allegedly bands. I think

[01:03:46] Yeah

[01:03:47] Yeah, and and some friend, you know, a bunch of other good friends and stuff. It was a good time

[01:03:50] Yeah, fucking place was packed. See that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm like, that's why I'm like

[01:03:54] You can't call this a scene

[01:03:56] Right, like it's too big. It's too big. You know, it's too big and it lasts anybody who there's a lot of people who are

[01:04:02] Seen people and I don't think their stuff lasts. You know what I mean? Or I won't last because because there's a lot of

[01:04:09] Negativity in that space, you know, like they're very they're very exclusive, you know, yeah, totally

[01:04:15] Cool kids club. Yeah

[01:04:17] Not my thing. Yeah

[01:04:19] I'm just here for the music. Yeah, totally

[01:04:21] All right, so we asked these three questions to everybody

[01:04:25] And I'm gonna ask you these three questions

[01:04:28] Um, kind of random questions, but the first one is if you were on death row, what would your final meal be?

[01:04:38] Um, I don't know probably like scallops and white wine

[01:04:44] Yeah, scallops and white wine. Yeah, like garlic, you know, put a little garlic in there

[01:04:48] I'm a fan of this. I need that's one of those seven fishes. I need those seven

[01:04:52] I can't I

[01:04:54] God

[01:04:56] This this coming Christmas is good. This is gonna be the one they gotta be the big ones though. Not those

[01:05:01] Fuck yeah

[01:05:03] Not the little ones you just swallow like their pills. Yeah. Yeah

[01:05:07] Dude, they're so good. God scallops are so good the three biter at least scallops. Yeah

[01:05:15] Like small meatball side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the ones you can put in your mouth in one shot, but it's kind of embarrassing

[01:05:26] Yeah, all right cool

[01:05:28] Scallops that's good. That's I like that one. I like yeah scallops. Yeah garlic garlic and white wine like nice

[01:05:33] Oh, just scallops like no sides. No side dishes. No nothing over some linguine. Yes

[01:05:39] Sure. Yeah, we'll go with linguine. There you go

[01:05:42] I should have just said spaghetti and meatballs because that's like my favorite thing in the world

[01:05:46] But that's too obvious. You know what I mean

[01:05:48] I don't want to go make spaghetti. Is that your go-to italian dish spaghetti meatballs?

[01:05:53] Ah, I mean if my mom's making it probably, you know, my grandfather's meatballs were the best man

[01:05:58] And I've been trying to make them. Yeah

[01:06:01] Like to emulate it and I get close but not close enough. Yeah, I actually just made meatballs last night

[01:06:07] Nice. Yeah, so I could prepare preparing for work. I'm like, oh, you some meatballs sandwiches that work this week

[01:06:12] Yeah, it's funny because as as somebody who like, you know, my grandmother was an amazing cook and her meatballs were fucking

[01:06:19] It's like I don't I don't like going to Italian restaurants because yeah, same. It's

[01:06:25] Yeah, it's just not

[01:06:27] I've had it all and I've had it all better

[01:06:30] If I go home, there's a few deli's that make grinders or subs whatever

[01:06:35] And I'll I'll get like a meatball a meatball from them or or like actually this time around

[01:06:40] I didn't make my own mix. I I picked some up while I was home

[01:06:43] I picked some from a deli that makes

[01:06:46] Pretty good fucking nice, you know, yeah, so yeah, though. Yeah, so it's gonna be scallops or meatball

[01:06:51] What about scallops in me?

[01:06:52] Yeah, fuck it. Fuck it. Yeah last meal, dude

[01:06:59] I also think we should start changing everybody's opinion on subs. They should all be called grinders. It is the superior name

[01:07:06] Yes, I mean we don't call them that down here

[01:07:08] But I but I think everybody should start doing it because it's the superior name

[01:07:12] It is it really is grinder. Yeah grinder hoagie. So I'm gonna start. I'm gonna go get a grinder

[01:07:18] yeah

[01:07:22] Um, all right second question is now that you're now that you're dead

[01:07:27] they could

[01:07:28] This is something they actually do now so they can actually if you get cremated

[01:07:32] They could take your ashes and form it into a vinyl record of your choice

[01:07:34] It's amazing. Yeah, so if you were going to have your ashes eternalized in an album

[01:07:41] Which one would you pick and it has to be an album that exists? Oh

[01:07:44] Shit, are you serious? Yep. Oh gosh

[01:07:50] Um, does that can it be a test pressing? No, I'm just gonna

[01:07:57] God damn it. All right. I mean I've got options here, but I don't know which one it would be um

[01:08:05] Probably the ducky boys dark days

[01:08:08] Dark days. All right. Yeah. Yeah or or senator and saints

[01:08:12] um

[01:08:14] Um, wow, I just drew a blank on the name. I'm really like what album like the album name

[01:08:19] But uh, yeah, so that would probably ducky boys dark days. That's like my

[01:08:24] that's

[01:08:25] again, that was when

[01:08:27] I learned about the band and I learned like about music and about the music that I love so much out of boston and

[01:08:33] Yeah, so it would probably be that one. All right, cool. Yeah

[01:08:37] Sweet. All right. So third question. Yeah. Yeah, totally

[01:08:41] um

[01:08:42] Who is on your mount rushmore of punk rock and you get five people because you get a crazy horse too, so

[01:08:49] And and this could be it does this doesn't necessarily have to be like punk rock

[01:08:53] Just your your your mount rush more of

[01:08:56] Music. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So let me add does it have to be like?

[01:09:00] How do you guys pick these like is it is it is it like culturally influenced or is it

[01:09:05] Like personally influenced or just what you think sound like, you know what I mean?

[01:09:10] Like it's I would say it's personal to you like who yeah, who would who do you think who are the five most influential

[01:09:17] Punk rockers to you some some people make a band out of it. Yeah, some people just do the

[01:09:23] They're not yeah, I'm gonna have to pick because it's influential to me right so

[01:09:30] Being a storyteller. I'm going to go with lyrical writing and who I think you know

[01:09:38] Who I think had the best like lyrical writing

[01:09:41] So it's going to be like people that are like we've probably never heard of

[01:09:45] At this point. It's all good. That's that's cool. Well, all right

[01:09:48] So I think I think I think Ryan Young from off of their heads would be on there because

[01:09:53] I don't think you get much more gut wrenching lyrical lyrical than that. Yeah, um great choice

[01:10:01] Mark Lind is a very good songwriter very good lyrical songwriter

[01:10:04] Anything to do with heartbreak that dude will write it in you know, you'll hear it

[01:10:09] There's a band that's no longer out of Boston

[01:10:13] called the old Edison and

[01:10:16] Will Good

[01:10:16] Um as a songwriter is absolutely phenomenal and so he would be on there too

[01:10:23] I'm gonna you know what? I'm gonna keep keep it local. I guess

[01:10:27] Cool. Um, why not? And we're talking storytelling still so this will work

[01:10:32] Uh growler from Valmercilis graves

[01:10:35] they're like

[01:10:38] This Valmercilis graves is like shanty music meets like this dark

[01:10:43] kind of

[01:10:46] Kind of atmospheric and like they put on these incredible shows that have

[01:10:51] like

[01:10:52] People performing while they're singing and stuff like yeah, so yeah

[01:10:57] So we'll go with that and then and then I'm gonna put my friend aria rad on there as well

[01:11:01] from coffin salesman

[01:11:03] And he was also he's in a few other bands as well. But yeah, he can he can write he can write a tune as well

[01:11:09] What was the the dark shanty band called a Valmercilis graves?

[01:11:14] That oh, I think I've heard of this band before

[01:11:19] Cool. Yeah

[01:11:21] Now we have a lot of bands look up. That's all that's another thing I love about this podcast is when people give us bands to find out

[01:11:27] Oh man, I could give you a list trust me

[01:11:30] Yeah, I know those are those are the ones because like you gotta

[01:11:33] I'm from a story teller. I write I write I write things

[01:11:37] Things and uh, I think those those would probably be my favorites that that right things. Yeah. Oh, yeah, awesome

[01:11:43] Yeah, so we'll go with that. I had a pick. I had a I had a pick of my my brain isn't set up for like

[01:11:49] Out of every I had a narrow, you know what I'm saying. I understand. Yeah, it's hard. It's a hard. It's a hard one

[01:11:55] What's when someone's like, what's your favorite movie? It's what the fuck? Yeah

[01:11:59] You know what I mean? Like give me give me a genre at least

[01:12:02] You know, I just now I default to drive say drives my terribly

[01:12:08] Which favorite horror movie

[01:12:11] Halloween because just okay just because you know what I'm saying the original. Yeah. Yeah, so good. It's one of my favorites. Yeah

[01:12:19] I'm a big fan of um as above so below as well though

[01:12:23] That's a good one. Okay. It's uh, it's a found footage movie about the the catacombs in France

[01:12:30] But it would work if it wasn't and that's why I like it so much, you know, I mean like that's one of the better found footage

[01:12:36] Movies. Yeah, there's not like a tone of found footage movies out there that I'm like, oh, I fucking love that movie

[01:12:41] But as both so below is a good one. Yeah, found footage. You mean like Blair Witch style. Yes, correct. Okay shaky cam

[01:12:49] Awesome dude, um

[01:12:51] Dude, thanks so much for doing this and why don't you just like uh plug all your shit where people find you

[01:12:56] All that good stuff. Yeah. All right. So if you just if you listen to podcasts, which I hope you do because you're listening to this one

[01:13:02] Uh, the struggling artist podcast is where you can where where you can you know any podcast platform you use

[01:13:08] We're on there. Um

[01:13:11] If you want to go over to

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[01:13:14] it's uh, it's at podcast tsa and uh

[01:13:20] The record club if you want to see what i'm talking about with the record club

[01:13:24] Struggling artist record club.com you will get an LP every month new members right now. I have I have a run of um

[01:13:31] Exclude that are a run of a run of this EP that I give away like like if you're a new member

[01:13:37] You get that in addition to the LP and it's uh, there's a hundred black and I have them all so they're mine

[01:13:42] So it's the only way you can get that one if you're if you're into that collector thing and like, you know rare whatever

[01:13:48] um

[01:13:49] Yeah, and it's all punk rock and punk rock adjacent over there. So struggling artist record club is uh,

[01:13:54] Is the website

[01:13:56] Awesome, and I'll add all those links on to the you know when we publish the podcast so

[01:14:01] Awesome people can click and go there. Yeah, and we'll be uh talking again next week

[01:14:05] Yeah, you guys are gonna come on the struggling artist. That's real

[01:14:08] Yeah, yeah, we'll continue this in uh

[01:14:11] In about uh seven days time. Yeah

[01:14:14] Awesome. I can't wait. So

[01:14:16] Hell yeah

[01:14:17] Awesome, man

[01:14:18] Dude, thanks so much and I'm looking forward to talking to you again next week. All right. Thank you. All right. Take care

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